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Post by see2 on Jan 23, 2023 15:41:38 GMT
We don't need to be part of Europol, we're part of INTERPOL. Interpol is useful, "Europol" can use it as it directs its particular interests to Europe. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 23, 2023 15:46:33 GMT
I asked you what benefits you have won and what progress you who voted to leave, have gained. I am still waiting for an answer. All they have left is blue passports and a warm glow from owning the Libs. Oh do stop fantasising Monte.
I know quite a few people who've seen a significant wage rise since Brexit. There are far fewer Eastern European criminals going though the criminal justice system. The stock market has surpassed both pre-Brexit and pre-Covid levels. Unemployment is at record lows.
We are free to negotiate any trade deals we like. And, more important than any of the above, we actually get to vote for the people that rule us, rather than having up to 50% of our laws (your figures) dictated to us by foreign powers.
And it's still early days yet.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 23, 2023 15:49:10 GMT
You mentioned Europol which is just a sub branch of Interpol. And Frontex is largely irrelevant to the UK.
Both of which you'd know if you weren't making stuff up as you go along.  I didn't make it up. I posted links. And you are not being honest. Is UK part of Frontex? Frontex's Management Board is composed of representatives of the heads of the border agencies of all the EU Member States that are signatories of the Schengen acquis. The Management Board also includes representatives from the United Kingdom and Ireland, as well as two members of the European Commission. frontex.europa.eu › faq › ke... Key Facts - Frontex - European Union You fell for that completely. The UK isn't part of Europol but is still within Frontex as part of the settlement. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. And certainly not in daily contact with both. Is the UK part of Europol? As a third country, the UK has lost access to the Schengen Information System (SIS II) and will not be a member of Europol. However, the TCA does enable UK liaison officers to be present in Europol's headquarters to facilitate cross-border cooperation.Feb 7, 2022 lordslibrary.parliament.uk › ... Beyond Brexit: policing, law enforcement and security
You've already agreed with me, while trying to claim the opposite. You're just too dumb to realise it.
Perhaps you should rename yourself Coracle given your tendency to end up going round in circles.  |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 23, 2023 15:53:02 GMT
We don't need to be part of Europol, we're part of INTERPOL. Interpol is useful, "Europol" can use it as it directs its particular interests to Europe. The EU isn't Europe, however much it would like to be. It is only part of Europe. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 23, 2023 15:58:16 GMT
All they have left is blue passports and a warm glow from owning the Libs. Oh do stop fantasising Monte.
I know quite a few people who've seen a significant wage rise since Brexit. There are far fewer Eastern European criminals going though the criminal justice system. The stock market has surpassed both pre-Brexit and pre-Covid levels. We are free to negotiate any trade deals we like. And, more important than any of the above, we actually get to vote for the people that rule us, rather than having up to 50% of our laws (your figures) dictated to us by foreign powers.
And it's still early days yet.
No wage rises in state employment...thr one controlled by Brexiteers. So no sunny uplands there. I heard today that there are hundreds of unaccompanied migrant children who have disappeared from hotels in just one town. 79 are still missing. No criminal gangs in the UK? And no Albanian traffickers either. Yeah. RIGHT. The UK won't mess with EU trade deals. They are optimum and supporting the UK economy. And we did contribute to the work involved in securing them. And if you didn't vote for your MEP that is your fault. No law, no Treaty or EU activity happens without EU Parliament approval. It seems to me you are creating a different EU so you can complain about it. Either that or you really are ignorant of what you call the EU. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 23, 2023 16:01:46 GMT
I didn't make it up. I posted links. And you are not being honest. Is UK part of Frontex? Frontex's Management Board is composed of representatives of the heads of the border agencies of all the EU Member States that are signatories of the Schengen acquis. The Management Board also includes representatives from the United Kingdom and Ireland, as well as two members of the European Commission. frontex.europa.eu › faq › ke... Key Facts - Frontex - European Union You fell for that completely. The UK isn't part of Europol but is still within Frontex as part of the settlement. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. And certainly not in daily contact with both. Is the UK part of Europol? As a third country, the UK has lost access to the Schengen Information System (SIS II) and will not be a member of Europol. However, the TCA does enable UK liaison officers to be present in Europol's headquarters to facilitate cross-border cooperation.Feb 7, 2022 lordslibrary.parliament.uk › ... Beyond Brexit: policing, law enforcement and security
You've already agreed with me, while trying to claim the opposiate. You're just to dumb to realise it.
Perhaps you should rename yourself Coracle given your tendency to end up going round in circles. You really haven't followed the discussion have you? You dont even realise when you have been made a fool of. You made claims that are patently untrue. You know nothing about Europol or Frontex but say you deal with them regularly? I don't have time to reply to those who lie, big themselves up and are ignorant of the facts they insist on discussing.instead they either avoid posts that prove them wrong or throw personal insults as if they change reality. Consider yourself ignored. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 23, 2023 16:09:35 GMT
Same old Kim: Lie & Deny. And repeat.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 23, 2023 16:23:48 GMT
And doesn't even live in the UK to be able to complain.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 23, 2023 16:31:02 GMT
I didn't make it up. I posted links. And you are not being honest. Is UK part of Frontex? Frontex's Management Board is composed of representatives of the heads of the border agencies of all the EU Member States that are signatories of the Schengen acquis. The Management Board also includes representatives from the United Kingdom and Ireland, as well as two members of the European Commission. frontex.europa.eu › faq › ke... Key Facts - Frontex - European Union You fell for that completely. The UK isn't part of Europol but is still within Frontex as part of the settlement. You don't have a clue what you are talking about. And certainly not in daily contact with both. Is the UK part of Europol? As a third country, the UK has lost access to the Schengen Information System (SIS II) and will not be a member of Europol. However, the TCA does enable UK liaison officers to be present in Europol's headquarters to facilitate cross-border cooperation.Feb 7, 2022 lordslibrary.parliament.uk › ... Beyond Brexit: policing, law enforcement and security
You've already agreed with me, while trying to claim the opposiate. You're just to dumb to realise it.
Perhaps you should rename yourself Coracle given your tendency to end up going round in circles. lol, you have now given me the giggles. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 23, 2023 17:29:40 GMT
From your link: The UK’s net contribution shouldn’t be confused with an assessment of the overall economic benefit, or cost, to the UK of EU membership. The net contribution simply looks at the direct flows of contributions to the EU Budget from the UK and spending, or receipts, from the EU to the UK. It doesn’t, for instance, consider benefits to UK businesses from being in the EU’s single market. Several bodies have attempted an economic cost-benefit analysis of the UK’s EU membership, some of which are discussed in section 6 of the Library’s briefing In brief: UK-EU economic relations. Perhaps you would like to follow your own link and recognise the economic benefits the UK enjoyed from being in the single market and being able to trade on most favourable terms with around 80 countries.
Then tell us if 9 billion membership fees weren't good value.Estimates range from 4 to 8% GDP and after two years, is coming down on the side of the larger number. The GDP of the UK last year was just over 3 trillion US dollars or about 2 trillion sterling. You do the maths. Since the UK traded only on EU Treaty terms, what loss would there be if the UK hadn't traded via the EU? And why do you think the UK rolled over all those trade deals if the benefits werent unimportant? From the silly few deals the UK has done, the UK would be a third world country by now. 9 billion a year to support a GDP of nearly 2 trillion a year? Seems a good deal to me. Our GDP growth fell when joined the EU. Since 2016 our GDP growth has remained constant with the EU - so what is the actual value of these economic benefits in hard cash?  |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 23, 2023 19:45:27 GMT
Of course it has remained roughly the same as other similar economies. they are all working under the same rules and conditions.
The question should be what is the UK's growth post 2020 compared to the same economies.
Though if the UK had really left the EU it should have left its trade agreements too.
The ones worth over two trillion pounds of GDP per year. The ones we benefitted from since we joined the EU.
So what did the UK get for a reduced membership of the EU?
Being the 5th largest economy in the western world plus all the little goodies on the side...grants, loans, infrastructure, half the cost of the Chunnel, access to European banks without having to open offices in every country, making London the European financial centre, highest standards of imports and exports and very simple cross border paperwork including goods, people and any organic items.
Not bad for 9 billion a year.
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Post by Vinny on Jan 23, 2023 20:13:02 GMT
Our trade with the USA has enjoyed an above inflation boost. Sales in excess of £142 billion a year. Up from £99.6 billion at the time of the referendum.
Our trade with the rest of the world is growing. Things are good.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 23, 2023 22:19:08 GMT
Of course it has remained roughly the same as other similar economies. they are all working under the same rules and conditions. The question should be what is the UK's growth post 2020 compared to the same economies.
Well the figures for 2022 are not out yet but in 2021 GDP expanded 7.5% in 2021, putting U.K. at top of G-7 leagueU.K. Economy Sees Best Annual Growth Since World War II in 2021
The U.K. economy expanded at the fastest pace since World War II last year after suffering a milder hit than expected in December.
The 7.5% expansion was the largest since 1941 and made Britain the fastest-growing advanced economy in 2021.were you expecting us to do better?  |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 23, 2023 22:26:19 GMT
So what did the UK get for a reduced membership of the EU? Being the 5th largest economy in the western world plus all the little goodies on the side...grants, loans, infrastructure, as I have already pointed out, we didn't get any goodies - anything the UK got we paid for. we sold that off years ago it still is - by far. Perhaps it might have something to do with all those EU financial institutions who had to open offices in London? 9 billion to allow uncontrolled immigration - not much of a deal |
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Post by Vinny on Jan 23, 2023 22:26:30 GMT
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