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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 14, 2023 13:14:30 GMT
Some vaccines were already mandatory? Yes, either vaccination or previous infection as in the case of childhood diseases. I've been through that and was accepted, of course. You are confusing vaccines with an experimental emergency authorisation mRNA gene therapy. No one should be forced to take that. The mRNA technology had been around for 10 years. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 14:23:31 GMT
Yes, either vaccination or previous infection as in the case of childhood diseases. I've been through that and was accepted, of course. You are confusing vaccines with an experimental emergency authorisation mRNA gene therapy. No one should be forced to take that. The mRNA technology had been around for 10 years. Oh, and when was the first mass jabbing exercise? Was it 10 years ago, and how did it go? Or was it used on cancer patients to target the cancer cells as a risky therapy, but better than almost certain death? It's about risk/benefit, isn't it? And with a truncated testing regime to provide an emergency authorised mRNA therapy, there are no long term consequences known. We are the guinea pigs for the long term consequences, Andrew. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 14, 2023 14:46:50 GMT
There of course has never been a mass vaccination on this scale. I was merely correcting your allegation that mRNA vaccines were experimental.
I agree that with all medicines and treatment it is a balance of benefits and risks. We agree on this.
I also agree that we should question everything and monitor the data.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 14, 2023 15:00:36 GMT
Yes, either vaccination or previous infection as in the case of childhood diseases. I've been through that and was accepted, of course. You are confusing vaccines with an experimental emergency authorisation mRNA gene therapy. No one should be forced to take that. The mRNA technology had been around for 10 years. Not for COVID vaccines. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 14, 2023 15:58:09 GMT
During one of his many stays in hospital for a series of tests and scans, my husband was told he tested positive for covid. It was a complete surprise as he didn't feel any different than his habitual issues.
The hospital kept him in for 2 extra weeks but if he hadn't been vaccinated he would most likely already be dead.
The discussion around injections reminds me of the recent conspiracy theories around the triple vaccination for children that some idiot doctor announced as dangerous. Result...many children became ill needlessly.
Conspiracy theorists are a danger to life in these cases. Do what you want but please stop shouting about increased deaths and long term dangers qhen there is no proof.
And the American deep state conspiracy theory is from another universe.
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 14, 2023 18:26:28 GMT
The mRNA technology had been around for 10 years. Not for COVID vaccines. Well no, of course not, as Covid didn't exist. They just needed to be adapted for the new virus. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 19:54:39 GMT
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Post by bancroft on Jan 14, 2023 20:18:01 GMT
This is interesting X-files from 2016 - Lockdowns, virus changing human DNA, face masks etc. With hindsight interesting yet a coincidence however Chris Carter must have had input from people who know emergency protocols with an outbreak. www.youtube.com/watch?v=g16jTDd7Bbg |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 14, 2023 21:33:25 GMT
Well no, of course not, as Covid didn't exist. They just needed to be adapted for the new virus. Oh a doodle then. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 14, 2023 21:58:58 GMT
History will tell you exactly how long it took and the testing that took place.
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 15, 2023 11:17:01 GMT
As at January 2023. A safety monitoring system flagged that U.S. drugmaker Pfizer Inc and German partner BioNTech's updated COVID-19 shot could be linked to a type of brain stroke in older adults, according to preliminary data analyzed by U.S. health authorities.www.reuters.com/business/healthcare-pharmaceuticals/us-says-pfizers-bivalent-covid-shot-may-be-linked-stroke-older-adults-2023-01-13/However, given the fact that Andrew Bridgen has been suspended and demonised for mentioning it, it seems clear the government do not want it discussed in the public domain. Which is a bit stupid, it's inevitable that relevant information will sooner or later be made public. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 19, 2023 19:14:10 GMT
Email from Richard Tice Reform UK. 19/01/23.
Dear Supporter,
In recent months, both at meetings and on my Sunday shows on Talk TV, you may have heard me talk about the worrying issue of excess death numbers compared to the 5 year average in the UK.
Over 100 more people are dying per day than normal; this is in the context of some 1,650 people who sadly pass away every day across the year. This is clearly due to a range of factors.
To determine what those factors are, I have been calling for a proper, independent analysis of these deaths so that we can understand what urgent steps we may take to mitigate this.
I have been consistently clear that within this analysis, we need to urgently look at any impact that Covid vaccine side effects may be having. Indeed, I discussed that very thing just two weeks ago with a world leading oncologist on my show, who is concerned about the impact of the booster on certain cancers, based on what he is seeing with some of his patients.
We have to look at the data across all these areas for the unintended consequences.
The majority of well qualified medics and scientists are robust in their view that the vaccines are safe and effective, but there is a growing group of eminent and well qualified experts who are very concerned about some of the emerging data. Be in no doubt that I share their concerns.
Like most of us, I am not an expert in this area, but we must have the courage to look independently at the data and then take difficult decisions if needs be.
The British people are made of tough stuff and for as long as I’m the Leader of Reform UK, our default position will always be to protect their right to choose. Our role in this as a political party is to fight to give as much independent, unfiltered information as possible; to do everything we can to facilitate an informed choice.
In my view this is the credible approach. Thank you for your continued support,
Richard Tice
Reform UK Leader
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Post by jonksy on Jan 24, 2023 20:32:05 GMT
The obvious deliberately ignored........There is the same level of excess deaths in Australia. Their healthcare system has been under some pressure but nothing like the NHS. They need to stop ignoring the obvious cause... Massive spike in excess deaths sparks calls for an 'urgent investigation': NHS crisis is blamed for nearly 3,000 more Brits than usual dying each week 17,381 deaths registered in England and Wales in the seven days to January 13 This is the highest number of excess deaths since the UK's second Covid wave Health experts say 999 delays, long A&E waits and backlogs could be to blame  www.dailymail.co.uk/health/article-11671587/Massive-spike-excess-deaths-sparks-calls-urgent-investigation.html |
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