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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2023 10:58:42 GMT
Seems like he is an MP doing the job and asking the questions that he is in parliament to do. If there was no problem then the answers would be easy, unfortunately too much seems to be going wrong and cover up seems to be the name of the game. It seems incredible that people would support this. Because you aren't allowed to ask awkward questions like "Is the vaccine safe".
If you do you're out of a job.
We can't have shares dropping and investors losing money, it's not about saving lives, it's about making money ... and LOADS of it.
BTW those vaccinated such as myself have had some of the worst Covid symptoms, I was flawed a few months ago with Covid, and here's me triple vaccinated.
It's not the asking of awkward questions that is the real problem here. It is the ridiculous and offensive comparison of a set of vaccines that might have a few negative side effects for some people with the deliberate mass murder of millions in the gas chambers and at the execution pits. Can you not see how ridiculous a comparison that is? That a supposedly professional politician cant see it surely brings his judgement into question in a way that undermines his case. He should have known better. |
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 13, 2023 11:11:20 GMT
There are far too many variables contributing to all deaths to be able to make any sweeping statements.
Did those who experienced post vax heart conditions have existing heart problems? Did they take up a new sport or change something else in their life? What is the family history of health conditions?
Are those who are affected of a certain age or demographic?
I suspect that specialist spoke in hyperbole for effect and didn't remember he was talking to a really stupid politician who has always wanted to be noticed by making controversial comments.
Like all Brits qualify for Irish citizenship. Imagine how that was received in Ireland!
I very much doubt that the vaccine has killed 6 million people...rather that it has saved at least that many. It is not unusual that medicines affect people in different way. What is appalling is that it was referred to in the same terms as a deliberate effort to eradicate innocent human beings as part of a racist policy directed at what was considered as sub human.
I doubt the specialist ever meant the comparison to be taken so far and was merely trying to impress by number of deaths, but it doesn't take much comparing to realise it was supremely stupid.
Bridgen was even more stupid to repeat it. And that was on one of his good days.
Finally it would take a lot of time to decide whether deaths were due to the vaccine or to covid which made the vaccine necessary.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 13, 2023 11:15:24 GMT
Because you aren't allowed to ask awkward questions like "Is the vaccine safe".
If you do you're out of a job.
We can't have shares dropping and investors losing money, it's not about saving lives, it's about making money ... and LOADS of it.
BTW those vaccinated such as myself have had some of the worst Covid symptoms, I was flawed a few months ago with Covid, and here's me triple vaccinated.
It's not the asking of awkward questions that is the real problem here. It is the ridiculous and offensive comparison of a set of vaccines that might have a few negative side effects for some people with the deliberate mass murder of millions in the gas chambers and at the execution pits. Can you not see how ridiculous a comparison that is? That a supposedly professional politician cant see it surely brings his judgement into question in a way that undermines his case. He should have known better. I've already said it wasn't the best choice of comparison, but that comparison is not the reason he's been suspended, he's suspended because he dared to ask is the vaccine safe.
It's getting highly suspicious that any one who dares question the vaccine are instantly closed down, why?
The MP and the general public have every right to ask, and the general public are being fobbed off, but time will tell.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2023 11:30:54 GMT
150 Million doses of vaccine injected into people in the UK
60 Deaths
Need anyone say any more ?
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Post by Vinny on Jan 13, 2023 11:32:14 GMT
150 Million doses of vaccine injected into people in the UK 60 Deaths Need anyone say any more ? Fair. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 13, 2023 11:38:17 GMT
150 Million doses of vaccine injected into people in the UK 60 Deaths Need anyone say any more ? That we know of? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 13, 2023 11:39:45 GMT
60 deaths which may be attributable to the vaccines.
200,000 deaths which may be attributable to Covid.
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 13, 2023 11:45:06 GMT
It's not the asking of awkward questions that is the real problem here. It is the ridiculous and offensive comparison of a set of vaccines that might have a few negative side effects for some people with the deliberate mass murder of millions in the gas chambers and at the execution pits. Can you not see how ridiculous a comparison that is? That a supposedly professional politician cant see it surely brings his judgement into question in a way that undermines his case. He should have known better. I've already said it wasn't the best choice of comparison, but that comparison is not the reason he's been suspended, he's suspended because he dared to ask is the vaccine safe.
It's getting highly suspicious that any one who dares question the vaccine are instantly closed down, why?
The MP and the general public have every right to ask, and the general public are being fobbed off, but time will tell.
I am quite sure the medical researchers are studying the effects of the vaccine especially as there are more than one. And that the results are not yet in. Given all those variables, it will take a long time to come to definite conclusions. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 13, 2023 11:49:26 GMT
I've already said it wasn't the best choice of comparison, but that comparison is not the reason he's been suspended, he's suspended because he dared to ask is the vaccine safe.
It's getting highly suspicious that any one who dares question the vaccine are instantly closed down, why?
The MP and the general public have every right to ask, and the general public are being fobbed off, but time will tell.
I am quite sure the medical researchers are studying the effects of the vaccine especially as there are more than one. And that the results are not yet in. Given all those variables, it will take a long time to come to definite conclusions. Well that's more or less what I have been saying.
I'd go as far as to say it will be at least 5-10 years before the true data is clearly known.
Until then it's safe to say that any 'expert' in that field regardless if they are for or against vaccines should be allowed a voice.
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 13, 2023 11:52:34 GMT
Of course.
But as an adult you know that opinions are reported as fact, useful to anyone who wants to support a debatable position.
Like Bridgen did.
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 13, 2023 11:59:40 GMT
Of course. But as an adult you know that opinions are reported as fact, useful to anyone who wants to support a debatable position. Like Bridgen did. Well basically until we have the full facts of the data which is too early to determine long/short term effects of the vaccine. 5-10 years.
Those 'experts' who are saying it is safe have no more credibility than those who are saying that it isn't.
We can debate this in another 5 years time, and maybe then we will be in possession of the full data.
Now we can without any shadow of a doubt accept the findings of the flu vaccine..
The flu vaccine
In the 1930s, two different types of the flu virus were isolated – type A and type B. The same decade, researchers discovered that they could grow the flu virus in hens’ eggs, allowing them to study it more closely and develop an inactivated vaccine.
In 1942, a vaccine offering protection against influenza A and B viruses was developed using fertilised hens’ eggs. Three years later, in 1945, the first inactivated influenza vaccine (IIV) was licensed for use by ordinary people – having been previously tested on the army.
** Also note, it was developed in 1942, but not licenced for use by ordinary people until 1945, meaning they had tested it on the army for 3 years before it was used on the general public.
Covid vaccine was tested for a couple of months, before it was given to the general public, who in theory are guinea pigs.
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Post by patman post on Jan 13, 2023 12:30:30 GMT
It's not the asking of awkward questions that is the real problem here. It is the ridiculous and offensive comparison of a set of vaccines that might have a few negative side effects for some people with the deliberate mass murder of millions in the gas chambers and at the execution pits. Can you not see how ridiculous a comparison that is? That a supposedly professional politician cant see it surely brings his judgement into question in a way that undermines his case. He should have known better. I've already said it wasn't the best choice of comparison, but that comparison is not the reason he's been suspended, he's suspended because he dared to ask is the vaccine safe.
It's getting highly suspicious that any one who dares question the vaccine are instantly closed down, why?
The MP and the general public have every right to ask, and the general public are being fobbed off, but time will tell.
That’s an opinion. Sunak said he “completely condemned” the comments and Tory Chief Whip Simon Hart said Mr Bridgen had “crossed the line”. Bridgen himself has since apologised for Holocaust reference. He is already serving a Commons suspension for breaking lobbying rules. In a YouTube video addressing the sanctions, Bridgen said he was not antisemitic or racist and apologised for any offence caused by the tweet. However, fired up they may be, members of Parliament should be able to judge what behaviour and language helps their cause, and what hinders it. Bridgen appears to lack that ability. Now his local party members have taken against him (admittedly, this could be through fears of losing votes rather than objecting to his behaviour and views)… |
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 13, 2023 12:35:55 GMT
I've already said it wasn't the best choice of comparison, but that comparison is not the reason he's been suspended, he's suspended because he dared to ask is the vaccine safe.
It's getting highly suspicious that any one who dares question the vaccine are instantly closed down, why?
The MP and the general public have every right to ask, and the general public are being fobbed off, but time will tell.
That’s an opinion. Sunak said he “completely condemned” the comments and Tory Chief Whip Simon Hart said Mr Bridgen had “crossed the line”. Bridgen himself has since apologised for Holocaust reference. He is already serving a Commons suspension for breaking lobbying rules. In a YouTube video addressing the sanctions, Bridgen said he was not antisemitic or racist and apologised for any offence caused by the tweet. However, fired up they may be, members of Parliament should be able to judge what behaviour and language helps their cause, and what hinders it. Bridgen appears to lack that ability. Now his local party members have taken gains him (admittedly, this could be through fears of losing votes rather than objecting to his behaviour and views)… Well I suppose if nothing else it got publicity.
Sad part is, if he hadn't have used the Holocaust comparison no one would ever know he'd even made a statement regarding the safety of the vaccine.
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Post by patman post on Jan 13, 2023 12:38:20 GMT
Another opinion — the guy is known as an anti-vax nutter…
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Post by Fairsociety on Jan 13, 2023 12:44:38 GMT
Another opinion — the guy is known as an anti-vax nutter… Why do you call anti-vax nuttters?
People for various reasons other than being 'nutters' don't want vaccines of any description.
It might be down to health issues or personal 'freedom of choice'.
You have just highlight precisely why people are suspicious of those labeling people who don't want a vaccine as 'nutters', using it as a means of shutting people down.
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