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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 10:07:32 GMT
Many of us got sick and tired of being told we had to have a jab. You were never told you had to have it. But the government has to do its best to protect the majority of the population. Some people were definitely told they had to have it. NHS staff and care home staff for starters. That compulsion to take a partly tested mRNA novel gene therapy was outrageous, and for the NHS it was withdrawn at the last minute. Many NHS staff had been vaccinated in the meantime, against their better judgment, as they were about to lose their jobs. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 14, 2023 10:25:26 GMT
You were never told you had to have it. But the government has to do its best to protect the majority of the population. Some people were definitely told they had to have it. NHS staff and care home staff for starters. That compulsion to take a partly tested mRNA novel gene therapy was outrageous, and for the NHS it was withdrawn at the last minute. Many NHS staff had been vaccinated in the meantime, against their better judgment, as they were about to lose their jobs. Over 150,000 deaths from Covid-19 according to Boris. But the surge of deaths in the early months was the driver for immunisation, which IIRC is the normal reaction to Pandemic sickness. "England Summary | Coronavirus (COVID-19) in the UK coronavirus.data.gov.ukWeb 873 Total number of deaths within 28 days of positive test in the last 7 days (25 December 2022 - 31 December 2022) and still counting. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 14, 2023 10:54:28 GMT
Quite.
There's a place for legitimate questioning, but there's a lot of re-writing history here.
If you want to see what low vaccine uptake means, you only need to look at what is happening in China.
We are lucky to have had the opportunity for our rollout.
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Post by oracle75 on Jan 14, 2023 10:55:50 GMT
I have to wonder what some would be saying about deaths from covid if the government had not pushed for its use.
To have withheld the vaccine during the pandemic would have IMO been criminal.
If someone I cared about was being nursed by someone who was not vaccinated I would have insisted the staff be changed.
When you have a killer on the loose I don't believe in allowing it to roam freely in the population. You either neutralise it or strictly contain it.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 14, 2023 11:56:51 GMT
Funny how people view events.
Some people think that the COVID vaccine is a sign of deep state and / or a disaster waiting to happen .
They have very right express that too.
Imo the vaccine was one of the greatest triumphs in modern medicine .
Also you can’t really hold the opinion that the Covid vaccine roll out was a triumph but the vaccine itself was a disaster..well you can but it doesn’t make sense to me .
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Post by patman post on Jan 14, 2023 11:58:09 GMT
You were never told you had to have it. But the government has to do its best to protect the majority of the population. Some people were definitely told they had to have it. NHS staff and care home staff for starters. That compulsion to take a partly tested mRNA novel gene therapy was outrageous, and for the NHS it was withdrawn at the last minute. Many NHS staff had been vaccinated in the meantime, against their better judgment, as they were about to lose their jobs. My mum, like many in specific areas in the NHS where bodily fluids are involved, has to have a hepatitis A and B jab, and routine follow up tests and jabs. This has been the case for years. As Covid and its variants can be serious for patients already being treated with other conditions, I see no reason why it shouldn’t also be mandatory for medical and care staff who are in direct contact with patients… |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 12:11:07 GMT
Some people were definitely told they had to have it. NHS staff and care home staff for starters. That compulsion to take a partly tested mRNA novel gene therapy was outrageous, and for the NHS it was withdrawn at the last minute. Many NHS staff had been vaccinated in the meantime, against their better judgment, as they were about to lose their jobs. My mum, like many in specific areas in the NHS where bodily fluids are involved, has to have a hepatitis A and B jab, and routine follow up tests and jabs. This has been the case for years. As Covid and its variants can be serious for patients already being treated with other conditions, I see no reason why it shouldn’t also be mandatory for medical and care staff who are in direct contact with patients… That might be a logical argument if the jabs (which although called vaccines are not) prevented either catching or transmitting the virus. I have had every childhood vaccine along with hep A and hep B and I am not anti vaccines. Vaccines have done a huge service to society over many decades. |
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Post by patman post on Jan 14, 2023 12:11:17 GMT
Funny how people view events. Some people think that the COVID vaccine is a sign of deep state and / or a disaster waiting to happen . They have very right express that too. Imo the vaccine was one of the greatest triumphs in modern medicine . Also you can’t really hold the opinion that the Covid vaccine roll out was a triumph but the vaccine itself was a disaster..well you can but it doesn’t make sense to me . Totally agree. I would add that Covid was exacerbated in the UK by the inaction of the Johnson regime after it was clear Covid was already swamping Italy. But I guess it was the resulting panic (months after action should have been started) that drove the govt to wildly throw money at various projects to solve the problem which allowed vaccine procurement and roll out to be the outstandingly good result it was and is… |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 14, 2023 12:16:53 GMT
Funny how people view events. Some people think that the COVID vaccine is a sign of deep state and / or a disaster waiting to happen . They have very right express that too. Imo the vaccine was one of the greatest triumphs in modern medicine . Also you can’t really hold the opinion that the Covid vaccine roll out was a triumph but the vaccine itself was a disaster..well you can but it doesn’t make sense to me . Totally agree. I would add that Covid was exacerbated in the UK by the inaction of the Johnson regime after it was clear Covid was already swamping Italy. But I guess it was the resulting panic (months after action should have been started) that drove the govt to wildly throw money at various projects to solve the problem which allowed vaccine procurement and roll out to be the outstandingly good result it was and is… Yes I thought you might . |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 14, 2023 12:19:15 GMT
Some people were definitely told they had to have it. NHS staff and care home staff for starters. That compulsion to take a partly tested mRNA novel gene therapy was outrageous, and for the NHS it was withdrawn at the last minute. Many NHS staff had been vaccinated in the meantime, against their better judgment, as they were about to lose their jobs. My mum, like many in specific areas in the NHS where bodily fluids are involved, has to have a hepatitis A and B jab, and routine follow up tests and jabs. This has been the case for years. As Covid and its variants can be serious for patients already being treated with other conditions, I see no reason why it shouldn’t also be mandatory for medical and care staff who are in direct contact with patients… Indeed. Some jabs are compulsory if you want to work for the NHS. I had to have a hepatitis jab to work bank . There is nothing wrong or inconsistent by making COVID jabs compulsory for NHS staff . |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 14, 2023 12:19:57 GMT
You were never told you had to have it. But the government has to do its best to protect the majority of the population. Some people were definitely told they had to have it. NHS staff and care home staff for starters. That compulsion to take a partly tested mRNA novel gene therapy was outrageous, and for the NHS it was withdrawn at the last minute. Many NHS staff had been vaccinated in the meantime, against their better judgment, as they were about to lose their jobs. Some vaccines were already mandatory? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 14, 2023 12:26:32 GMT
Quite. There's a place for legitimate questioning, but there's a lot of re-writing history here. If you want to see what low vaccine uptake means, you only need to look at what is happening in China. I think the juries out on that one. You may be right, time will tell. I suspect this story has a lot of mileage in it yet. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 14, 2023 12:28:55 GMT
If you were an NHS worker , working in the ‘ hot’ COVID wards in the beginning of the crisis then I’m pretty sure that you would want a COVID jabs as soon as you could get one .
People were dying pretty horrible deaths in front of the workers eyes. COVID was wiping out wards of vulnerable patients such as old people or cancer patients.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2023 12:31:46 GMT
Some people were definitely told they had to have it. NHS staff and care home staff for starters. That compulsion to take a partly tested mRNA novel gene therapy was outrageous, and for the NHS it was withdrawn at the last minute. Many NHS staff had been vaccinated in the meantime, against their better judgment, as they were about to lose their jobs. Some vaccines were already mandatory? Yes, either vaccination or previous infection as in the case of childhood diseases. I've been through that and was accepted, of course. You are confusing vaccines with an experimental emergency authorisation mRNA gene therapy. No one should be forced to take that. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 14, 2023 13:04:57 GMT
Interesting discussion on GB News right now. Laurence Fox is interviewing a couple of people who can reliably be described as experts, two doctors, one English one Jewish. They said there are serious concerns over covid vaccines that are being hidden from the public and that Andrew Bridgen's comments should be investigated. It can only be a matter of time. I think Josh Guetzkow was a criminalogist and anthropologist or similar not a doctor. Bridgen said the vaccine rollout was the biggest crime against humanity since the holocaust, not equal to the holocaust or comparable to it. So far they, whoever they are, are having major success in silencing those who ask pertinent questions. If we believe in our democracy this can only be totally unacceptable. I could have sworn Laurence Fox introduced him as Dr Josh Guetzkow. I've just checked and it would seem you're right, oh well I cant be right all the time (lol). And yes I agree detractors are being silenced at the moment, but I'm sure that will become increasingly awkward as information comes to light in other countries. |
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