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Post by Bentley on Jan 13, 2023 18:36:04 GMT
I’m not sure if that’s true but time will tell. Yep, it always has thus far. Has it? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 13, 2023 18:41:28 GMT
Towards the end of 2022, a massive survey / study was undertaken by nurse.org and these are the results 87% feel burnt out 84% are frustrated with administrators 84% feel they are underpaid 83% feel their mental health has suffered 77% feel unsupported at work 61% feel unappreciated 60% have felt uncomfortable having to work outside of their comfort zone in the past year 58% of nurses have felt unsafe at work in the past year We have now reached a situation where 1 in 8 posts within the NHS is now unfilled, nurses have left, they continue to leave, and more want to leave. The British public will not tolerate the falling apart of the NHS and the crisis in Social Care, Ambulance Services and Emergency Medicine. When the Tories lose the next election, the new Labour government will have to be up front and honest with the British people. The NHS can be fixed, but it will cost, and I know that most British people will not only accept the fact, but will be willing to pay to put it right, and make it safe again. Well that is a load of old baloney.. there is no willingness from the British Public to throw significant amounts of money into the bottomless pit of the NHS. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 13, 2023 18:45:39 GMT
Yep, it always has thus far. Has it?
Yeah, that's exactly why we're discussing it.
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Post by om15 on Jan 13, 2023 18:55:04 GMT
It is not shortage of money that has led to the NHS crisis, it is shortage of effective and constructive management. The NHS epitomises the inefficiency and waste that is typical of nationalised industries.
Put the NHS under the management of Tesco's CEO and it will start to produce results.
Whilst the NHS collapsed during the pandemic Tescos fed the country without a hiccup, organised transport, food, medicines, drinks, toilet rolls and cat food, no one went hungry or missed a luncheon. If the NHS had been running it we would never enjoyed a single breakfast.
The first step is privatise the NHS, put people in charge who receive large bonus's on the achievement of results, sack the lazy bastard receptionists whose insolence is beyond description, put all GPs on a 50 hour week and use cheap Mexican contract labour to swab out the wards, then you will see results.
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Post by Bentley on Jan 13, 2023 19:01:03 GMT
Yeah, that's exactly why we're discussing it.
I think that you are merely claiming it on the premise that it always happens . I missed any compelling evidence supporting it tbh . |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 13, 2023 19:01:51 GMT
Towards the end of 2022, a massive survey / study was undertaken by nurse.org and these are the results 87% feel burnt out 84% are frustrated with administrators 84% feel they are underpaid 83% feel their mental health has suffered 77% feel unsupported at work 61% feel unappreciated 60% have felt uncomfortable having to work outside of their comfort zone in the past year 58% of nurses have felt unsafe at work in the past year We have now reached a situation where 1 in 8 posts within the NHS is now unfilled, nurses have left, they continue to leave, and more want to leave. The British public will not tolerate the falling apart of the NHS and the crisis in Social Care, Ambulance Services and Emergency Medicine. When the Tories lose the next election, the new Labour government will have to be up front and honest with the British people. The NHS can be fixed, but it will cost, and I know that most British people will not only accept the fact, but will be willing to pay to put it right, and make it safe again. Well that is a load of old baloney.. there is no willingness from the British Public to throw significant amounts of money into the bottomless pit of the NHS. I suspect that there is a lot of public interest in other people paying for it . |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 13, 2023 19:30:03 GMT
I disagree with your opinion.
You're right but, with respect, I disagree with everyone's opinion on this.
As I've said before: I speak from lived experience.
And, in the real world, that trumps everyone's opinion.
Except your not the only one with lived experience. I'm surrounded with friends and family members who work in the NHS. |
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Post by zanygame on Jan 13, 2023 19:37:39 GMT
Towards the end of 2022, a massive survey / study was undertaken by nurse.org and these are the results 87% feel burnt out 84% are frustrated with administrators 84% feel they are underpaid 83% feel their mental health has suffered 77% feel unsupported at work 61% feel unappreciated 60% have felt uncomfortable having to work outside of their comfort zone in the past year 58% of nurses have felt unsafe at work in the past year We have now reached a situation where 1 in 8 posts within the NHS is now unfilled, nurses have left, they continue to leave, and more want to leave. The British public will not tolerate the falling apart of the NHS and the crisis in Social Care, Ambulance Services and Emergency Medicine. When the Tories lose the next election, the new Labour government will have to be up front and honest with the British people. The NHS can be fixed, but it will cost, and I know that most British people will not only accept the fact, but will be willing to pay to put it right, and make it safe again. So 57% want to give more and 22% substantially more. I think that's more a reflection of what people can afford than what they want. Its that damned wealth gap again. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 13, 2023 19:43:57 GMT
It is not shortage of money that has led to the NHS crisis, it is shortage of effective and constructive management. The NHS epitomises the inefficiency and waste that is typical of nationalised industries. Put the NHS under the management of Tesco's CEO and it will start to produce results.
Whilst the NHS collapsed during the pandemic Tescos fed the country without a hiccup, organised transport, food, medicines, drinks, toilet rolls and cat food, no one went hungry or missed a luncheon. If the NHS had been running it we would never enjoyed a single breakfast. The first step is privatise the NHS, put people in charge who receive large bonus's on the achievement of results, sack the lazy bastard receptionists whose insolence is beyond description, put all GPs on a 50 hour week and use cheap Mexican contract labour to swab out the wards, then you will see results. Some eight years ago Health Minister Jeremy Hunt asked Stuart Rose, head of M & S to sort out the NHS. Around 30 years ago, Thatcher got the Sainsbury's boss to sort out the NHS; for various reasons, both failed. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 13, 2023 22:11:51 GMT
Oh, I forgot to make allowances for your somewhat limited movements inside your little political box  Actually, in my time I have voted Labour, Lib Dem, Green, and TUSC. Were I living in Scotland or Wales I would happily have voted Plaid or the SNP. But I have never and would never vote Tory. You did. So your arrogant preaching to me about political boxes and political integrity is just so much horse shit. Go bury your head in a bucket of it. Trying to make a virtue out of voting Tory whilst claiming to be centre left just exposes your moral dishonesty. Am going to regret posting that because you will witter on repeatedly ad nauseum in response no doubt, using many words to say nothing worth reading. So fire away. Whatever you have voted for in the past doesn't alter the little left wing box you have been in during our exchanges. I suggest you stop looking for excuses. I have voted Tory once and did so because May as leader was the only one talking sense, had she remained in office you would have something to debate about, she didn't and you don't. In the following election I didn't vote at all because the options were as bad as each other. I left the "horse shit" voting to people full of it. Full, as with your asinine posts. Your absolute bias means that you are in no position to judge me or anyone else who holds a more moderate view on politics than yourself. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 13, 2023 22:18:18 GMT
So 57% want to give more and 22% substantially more. I think that's more a reflection of what people can afford than what they want. Its that damned wealth gap again. I'm not sure that £500 is 'substantially' more tax - I suppose it depends on the individual. It rather seems that Bentley is 100% correct - people are in favour of other people paying more for the NHS.  |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 13, 2023 22:19:22 GMT
You're right but, with respect, I disagree with everyone's opinion on this.
As I've said before: I speak from lived experience.
And, in the real world, that trumps everyone's opinion.
Except your not the only one with lived experience. I'm surrounded with friends and family members who work in the NHS. and hasn't that given you a warped view..  |
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Post by see2 on Jan 13, 2023 22:39:02 GMT
It is not shortage of money that has led to the NHS crisis, it is shortage of effective and constructive management. The NHS epitomises the inefficiency and waste that is typical of nationalised industries. Put the NHS under the management of Tesco's CEO and it will start to produce results.
Whilst the NHS collapsed during the pandemic Tescos fed the country without a hiccup, organised transport, food, medicines, drinks, toilet rolls and cat food, no one went hungry or missed a luncheon. If the NHS had been running it we would never enjoyed a single breakfast. The first step is privatise the NHS, put people in charge who receive large bonus's on the achievement of results, sack the lazy bastard receptionists whose insolence is beyond description, put all GPs on a 50 hour week and use cheap Mexican contract labour to swab out the wards, then you will see results. Some eight years ago Health Minister Jeremy Hunt asked Stuart Rose, head of M & S to sort out the NHS. Around 30 years ago, Thatcher got the Sainsbury's boss to sort out the NHS; for various reasons, both failed. It says a lot about the lack of efficiency in the UK management area. Perhaps this country should look around the world for more up to date ways of running an acceptable system. Providing a two tier system is avoided except that which seems to work in Germany where everyone pays into the health system but those above a certain wealth level can opt out and pay for their health care directly. The Japanese are good at producing cars, perhaps some of their thinking might help |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2023 22:40:42 GMT
Actually, in my time I have voted Labour, Lib Dem, Green, and TUSC. Were I living in Scotland or Wales I would happily have voted Plaid or the SNP. But I have never and would never vote Tory. You did. So your arrogant preaching to me about political boxes and political integrity is just so much horse shit. Go bury your head in a bucket of it. Trying to make a virtue out of voting Tory whilst claiming to be centre left just exposes your moral dishonesty. Am going to regret posting that because you will witter on repeatedly ad nauseum in response no doubt, using many words to say nothing worth reading. So fire away. Whatever you have voted for in the past doesn't alter the little left wing box you have been in during our exchanges. I suggest you stop looking for excuses. I have voted Tory once and did so because May as leader was the only one talking sense, had she remained in office you would have something to debate about, she didn't and you don't. In the following election I didn't vote at all because the options were as bad as each other. I left the "horse shit" voting to people full of it. Full, as with your asinine posts. Your absolute bias means that you are in no position to judge me or anyone else who holds a more moderate view on politics than yourself. So moderate you voted Tory. Give me a break, lol |
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Post by see2 on Jan 13, 2023 22:47:48 GMT
see2 is an OK guy who never fails to trigger posters without even trying. Food for thought there Toreador, I'll see if I can find a bloody big angry Bull for you |
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