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Post by see2 on Jan 12, 2023 8:14:54 GMT
No it isn't JOKESY, that just your scatterbrained way of thinking. Only the naïve are fool enough to be misled by reading the Mail. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 8:15:40 GMT
LOL Labour are bankrolled by the Unions.
Donations. The Conservative Party relies on donations mostly from individuals and companies; as well as these sources the Labour Party receives a significant portion of its donations from trade unions.
Unions covered both electoral expenses and maintenance payments, to fund the living costs of an MP. Those Labour MPs who did not receive union sponsorship were instead paid from the Parliamentary Fund of the Labour Party, which was raised in part from unions.
Labour took £1.5M in donations from trade union bosses as grip on party laid bare
The Labour Party received £4.7million in total in donations in the last economic quarter, with £1.62million coming from unions.
^^ I could go on but I am sure you understand now why Starmer and Labour have responsibility for the current strikes, Labour were so outraged that Johnson had a sip of wine and the whiff of a birthday cake while people where dying of Covid ...... yet Starmer/Labour don't give a fuck that people are dying at the hands of the Unions who bankroll them .......Double standard hypocrisy .... AGAIN AND AGAIN.
Without Unions financing the Labour party, there would be no real opposition to Tory madness. Some Union leaders want a far left Labour party in office, elections since 1950 show that they have failed in their desires. Ambulances have been queueing up since late 2021, that's before the strikes. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59422292No one wants a "far" left Labour party in office. That is just more of your typical terminological distortions again. What a number of unions and broad swathes of their memberships want however is a Labour party that is genuinely on the left and willing and able to serve the interests of working people, rather than a second Tory party. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 8:17:11 GMT
No it isn't JOKESY, that just your scatterbrained way of thinking. Only the naïve are fool enough to be misled by reading the Mail. It is all he ever links to. Just another deluded fool living in Daily Mail land instead of the real world. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 12, 2023 8:38:13 GMT
So you're happy to pit one party's hypocrisy against another's?
Surely the under resourcing of the NHS is a criticism of all parties that have been in power — but perhaps more so the Tories, who have been in power for 12 years and done nothing to improve the situation.
Add to that the blatant disregard of warnings about Covid at the end of 2019, then panicking and dishing out billions to associates, donors and friends for useless protective clothing and testing procedures.
And responsibilities for deaths:
• In England and Wales, the total number of excess deaths, due to all causes, registered between March 2020 and June 2022 was 137,447. • For deaths where the underlying cause of death was not coronavirus (COVID-19), excess deaths were 7,360 below the five-year average
I don't see that by helping to highlight the inadequacies and failings of the current NHS and welfare regimes, Starmer and Labour responsible for current industrial unrest. There's little they can do to alter the situation — they're not in government...
And remind us all again, what was Starmer's grand plan?
Oh that's right he didn't have one.
He was a cowering coward on the sidelines he just scored political points at the expense of people losing loved ones to Covid.
He used and abused these people to score political points against the Tories, how low, and how more despicable can you get?
To exploit the deaths of innocent people to get a leg up the political ladder to gain points in the polls is quite frankly bordering on grotesque.
The Tories like most other countries and world leaders had to think on their feet, no one knew what to do, not even WHO, they fucked up with misinformation.
So there you have it. I was far too concerned about the pathetic life costing ridiculousness of the governments approach to Covid 19 to follow the oppositions approach, but IIRC Starmer called for an earlier lockdown than the government went for. He criticised the government for its ineptness in handling Covid, and was absolutely right to do so. Your accusation is what is despicable, even grotesque. Think on their feet? It ignored a warning 11 months before the outbreak that the reserves of pandemic equipment needed replacing. AND was a full month before it even thought about taking the pandemic seriously, as it began with a debate on heard immunity. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 12, 2023 8:57:55 GMT
Without Unions financing the Labour party, there would be no real opposition to Tory madness. Some Union leaders want a far left Labour party in office, elections since 1950 show that they have failed in their desires. Ambulances have been queueing up since late 2021, that's before the strikes. www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-59422292No one wants a "far" left Labour party in office. That is just more of your typical terminological distortions again. What a number of unions and broad swathes of their memberships want however is a Labour party that is genuinely on the left and willing and able to serve the interests of working people, rather than a second Tory party. You might be right in terms of "far left" but certainly way out to the left. Len Mc Cluskey accused of dreaming about a Socialist country was certainly left wing and Momentum as a member of the Labour Party was even further to the left. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 12, 2023 9:08:35 GMT
No it isn't JOKESY, that just your scatterbrained way of thinking. Only the naïve are fool enough to be misled by reading the Mail. Usual BOLLOCKS from planet zog...I await yout proof that it is not true. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 9:09:08 GMT
No one wants a "far" left Labour party in office. That is just more of your typical terminological distortions again. What a number of unions and broad swathes of their memberships want however is a Labour party that is genuinely on the left and willing and able to serve the interests of working people, rather than a second Tory party. You might be right in terms of "far left" but certainly way out to the left. Len Mc Cluskey accused of dreaming about a Socialist country was certainly left wing and Momentum as a member of the Labour Party was even further to the left. Not "far left" but "way out to the left". Lol |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 12, 2023 9:12:28 GMT
No it isn't JOKESY, that just your scatterbrained way of thinking. Only the naïve are fool enough to be misled by reading the Mail. It is all he ever links to. Just another deluded fool living in Daily Mail land instead of the real world. States the head prick of the board. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 9:20:35 GMT
It is all he ever links to. Just another deluded fool living in Daily Mail land instead of the real world. States the head prick of the board. Typical troll insult post of zero intellectual value from the biggest idiot on the board. Ladies and Gentlemen, I introduce to you - *drumroll* - our latest star performing clown - Jokesy! |
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Post by see2 on Jan 12, 2023 9:35:15 GMT
No it isn't JOKESY, that just your scatterbrained way of thinking. Only the naïve are fool enough to be misled by reading the Mail. Usual BOLLOCKS from planet zog...I await yout proof that it is not true. __"A vote for Labour is a vote for endorsing protesters that will block you, even if you need medical attention."__ That comment ^^^ seems almost too puerile for you Jokesy, or at least some might think so. But I guess not. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 12, 2023 9:37:24 GMT
You might be right in terms of "far left" but certainly way out to the left. Len Mc Cluskey accused of dreaming about a Socialist country was certainly left wing and Momentum as a member of the Labour Party was even further to the left. Not "far left" but "way out to the left". Lol Have you ever checked out Momentum policies ? |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 12, 2023 10:13:50 GMT
Not "far left" but "way out to the left". Lol Have you ever checked out Momentum policies ? Honestly, no not in the sense that I ever sat down and read a momentum manifesto from start to finish, though I picked up quite a lot about them in my time in the party, obviously. I myself was never a member of momentum, though my local party included a number of comrades who were, a couple of whom remain personal friends of mine. Like me, both have resigned from the party some time ago. The momentum members I personally knew in my local area were all socialists similar to me. None of them were extremist revolutionary types. They believed in democracy, both inside the party and more widely in society. They believed in the possibility of democratic change for the better and as individuals were great local campaigners. They were all left wing obviously, but none of them were "far left" in any extremist sense. I am talking about the momentum members I knew personally in my own local party though so cannot speak from experience for the rest of the country. If you have any examples of extremist left wing policy agendas from momentum which you can post links to from reliable sources or from momentum themselves, feel free to share. I am all ears. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 12, 2023 10:55:01 GMT
Usual BOLLOCKS from planet zog...I await yout proof that it is not true. __"A vote for Labour is a vote for endorsing protesters that will block you, even if you need medical attention."__ That comment ^^^ seems almost too puerile for you Jokesy, or at least some might think so. But I guess not.When have you ever guessed correct? Just another of your usual trolling offerings. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 12, 2023 11:40:06 GMT
You might be right in terms of "far left" but certainly way out to the left. Len Mc Cluskey accused of dreaming about a Socialist country was certainly left wing and Momentum as a member of the Labour Party was even further to the left. Not "far left" but "way out to the left". Lol "In 1997, the political scientists David Butler and Dennis Kavanagh described Corbyn's political stance as "far-left". |
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Post by see2 on Jan 12, 2023 11:43:43 GMT
__"A vote for Labour is a vote for endorsing protesters that will block you, even if you need medical attention."__ That comment ^^^ seems almost too puerile for you Jokesy, or at least some might think so. But I guess not.When have you ever guessed correct? Just another of your usual trolling offerings. See the post you replied to and the puerile comment you have defended. Speaks for itself. "I guess not" was just me being polite  |
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