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Post by Vinny on Feb 1, 2023 8:08:37 GMT
Not my government, our.
And many a time we've had Scottish Prime Ministers.
Not only that Scotland wants to stay that way and you are pissing on Scotland's vote.
Your party is now a party for rapists in drag and it's policies are no longer welcome in Scotland. It will be defeated and consigned to the wilderness where it belongs.
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Post by thomas on Feb 1, 2023 8:11:04 GMT
Our government, not my government, our. And many a time we've had Scottish Prime Ministers. Not only that Scotland wants to stay that way and you are pissing on Scotland's vote. Scotland wants to stay in the european single market ....
If Scotland became an independent country, do you think it should seek full accession to the EU, participation in the European Single Market through EFTA, or stay outside the EU?
45% Full accession to the EU
21% Participation in the European Single Market through EFTA
19% Stay outside the EU
15% Don’t know
EX DK:
53% Full accession to the EU
25% Participation in the European Single Market through EFTA
22% Stay outside the EU
Survation (10 January 2023 – 12 January 2023)
you are pissing on our votes.....end the union. Let englands seperatists go their own way , and scotland go its....
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Post by Vinny on Feb 1, 2023 8:12:09 GMT
Wrong.
Scotland wants to stay in the UK.
The UK has already left the EU doesn't meet the deficit limits for going back and won't for some time to come.
We are already independent of the EU.
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Post by thomas on Feb 1, 2023 8:14:03 GMT
Wrong. Scotland wants to stay in the UK. lets have a vote on it then , scotland to stay in brexit yookay , or leave and become part of the EU( EFTA)
What are you scared of if you are so sure of scotland wanting to stay part of your country? 
Im quietly confident england can , and should stand on its own two feet vinny. Go on , take your first few baby steps .........you can do it. You dont need us to hold your hand.
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Post by Vinny on Feb 1, 2023 8:16:11 GMT
You already had your vote in 2014. Get over it.
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Post by thomas on Feb 1, 2023 8:16:39 GMT
You already had your vote in 2014. Get over it. you dont set the rules of democracy.... |
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Post by Vinny on Feb 1, 2023 9:03:39 GMT
Nor do you, and seeing as in 2014 you Thomas, voted to leave the European Union, you can shut up about Brexit.
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 1, 2023 13:15:47 GMT
Aww, this was a great thread about the history of language and now it's just another argument about Scottish independence.
Shame on you Vinny.
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Post by thomas on Feb 1, 2023 15:51:24 GMT
Aww, this was a great thread about the history of language and now it's just another argument about Scottish independence. Shame on you Vinny. i agree monte. My fault too for encouraging him. |
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 1, 2023 16:05:00 GMT
Aww, this was a great thread about the history of language and now it's just another argument about Scottish independence. Shame on you Vinny. i agree monte. My fault too for encouraging him. It's a subject I find interesting but frustrating. There just isn't enough known about pre-Roman Britain. If only the Celts had a written history. Whenever I look up the origins of the Celtic language it's always stated that there are no definitive answers other than it's a branch of the Indo-European language group. |
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Post by thomas on Feb 1, 2023 16:12:23 GMT
i agree monte. My fault too for encouraging him. It's a subject I find interesting but frustrating. There just isn't enough known about pre-Roman Britain. If only the Celts had a written history. Whenever I look up the origins of the Celtic language it's always stated that there are no definitive answers other than it's a branch of the Indo-European language group. the word celt is supposed to come from the same root word as kilt , and the meaning behind celt is they were the hidden people.
obviously as you allude to , it was against the druidic religion to write any of their history ,laws etc down. That then changed when the celtic people found christianity ,and through the christian religion , much of the previous "pagan " druidic history , myths and legneds have come down to us , obviously with a slight christian twist.
I think monte we are going so far back in prehistory its impossible , but the argument that still prevails is the celtic languages originated in central europe and spread. Remember , the scots irish and welsh never called ourselves celts .
It was the welsh historian and traveller edward lhuyd
who first noticed in the 17th century the link between the ancient celtic languages of antiquity , and scottish irish and welsh.
All european languages are indo european apart from basque finnish and hungarian , so we are all connected as fellow europeans .  |
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Post by Montegriffo on Feb 1, 2023 16:21:21 GMT
Careful, we'll have the Brexiteers in here next if you go connecting all Europeans by language.
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Post by thomas on Feb 1, 2023 16:27:38 GMT
Careful, we'll have the Brexiteers in here next if you go connecting all Europeans by language.
It normally follows they try first by saying we are all bwitish , then when that doesnt work , sometimes they talk about language and english celts , then when they realise the celts were europeans , and they then might be linked to the filthy french or germans , it then normally goes onto DNA , until they realise that too is north west european , and then the conversation is ended.
I think churchill and his island nation mentality shite has a lot to answer for.
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Post by Vinny on Feb 1, 2023 20:12:01 GMT
Brexit was fuck all to do with race and everything to do with self determination. Democracy.
When you realise that and leave your race bollocks in the past. You might start getting somewhere politically.
Given that you now want the EU to govern you, you Thomas, do not want independence. You just want spite towards non Celts. Your position is racist.
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Post by Ripley on Feb 1, 2023 21:44:20 GMT
Here's a fun exercise by AncestryDNA about whose accuracy I make no representations. www.ancestry.com/corporate/international/press-releases/DNA-of-the-nation-revealedand-were-not-as-British-as-we-thinkBrad Argent from AncestryDNA said: “At a time when the concept of British identity is at the forefront of many people’s minds, it’s interesting to see that when it comes to our ancestry, we’re not as British or Irish as we may think. The UK has been a cultural and ethnic melting pot for not just generations, but centuries, and our DNA data provides a fascinating glimpse into our ancestors, including hints of immigration and emigration. While it’s fascinating looking at this data on a national scale, the fun really starts when you test your own DNA and begin to delve into your own family history.” Ancestry did an analysis of the genetic history of two million people worldwide based on data collated from the AncestryDNA home DNA test that uses microarray-based autosomal DNA testing, which surveys a person’s entire genome at over 700,000 different genetic locations via a simple saliva sample. Analysis of the data provides a prediction of the locations of ancestors from 26 separate worldwide populations including Great Britain and Ireland, Europe, Scandinavia, Asia and South and North Africa. In contrast to Y-chromosome or mitochondrial DNA tests, which only test one line of your family and generally provide information about ancestry several thousand years ago, the AncestryDNA autosomal test targets the last few hundred or thousand years. The study revealed the genetic make-up of the nation, finding Yorkshire to be the most ‘British’ region in the UK, while London is the most ethnically diverse and the East Midlands the most Scandinavian region in the UK. The results reveal the genetic ethnic make up of the ‘average’ person in the UK and what countries and/or regions they can trace their ancestry back to over the past 500 years. They found that the average UK resident is 36.94% British (Anglo Saxon), 21.59% Irish (Celtic) and 19.91% Western European (the region covered today by France and Germany). Following these top three regional ethnicities in the average UK resident are Scandinavia (9.20%), the Iberian Peninsula (Spain/Portugal) (3.05%), and Italy and Greece (1.98%). For more information on these regions see Table 2 below. Interestingly, breakdowns of the data also reveal differences between residents of England, Scotland, Wales, Northern Ireland, and even within English regions. English people have significantly less Irish ancestry (just 20% of their genetic make-up) on average compared to people living in Scotland (43.84%), Wales (31.99%) and Northern Ireland (48.49%). English residents do however have the highest amount of Scandinavian (9.39%) and Western European (French/German) (20.45%) ancestry. Scottish residents have the highest amount of Finnish/Northwest Russian (1.31%) heritage, which is explained by their geographic proximity. Welsh residents have the highest proportion of ancestry from the Iberian Peninsula (Spain/Portugal) in the UK (3%). Page down on the link to see the top ethnicities by region. If this study is accurate, the Scots are less British than Irish, but we knew that, didn’t we? |
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