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Post by buccaneer on Jan 6, 2023 9:47:18 GMT
Thomas you don't have a clue about the implementation of the Protocol and it's almost as shocking as your lack of knowledge on football. The Protocol hasn't been fully implemented yet, and it is still costing the N.Ireland economy up to one hundred million pound each year. This will be small fry when implemented in full. Which is why agriculture minister halted checks on agri-goods going to N.Ireland. And the UK has unilaterally extended grace periods indefinitely. The Protocol is yet to be fully implemented and likely never will be considering the strictness of it (to quote Leo Varadkar) and the ill-feeling it has already caused to a community in N. Ireland. www.newsletter.co.uk/news/politics/90-of-irish-sea-border-checks-arent-even-in-force-yet-poots-3527250Poots: Sea Border situation could get so much worse – 90% of checks aren’t even happening yet |
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Post by Steve on Jan 6, 2023 10:24:59 GMT
Well this is a plain daft outcome of the NI protocol as the two sides are implementing it: www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-northern-ireland-64174849 52 drugs approved for use in NI but not the rest of the UK and over 100 drugs approved for the rest of the UK but not NI. Now in most cases they are just variant formulations but what does it take for a default cross approval? Oh yes banging heads together. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 6, 2023 11:42:37 GMT
If the protocal hadnt been implemented as you claim in the first place , then the uk government wouldnt have an argument to claim the protocol wasnt working for N.I businesses and people , and therefore wouldnt have had to have implemented post protocol legislation to overturn parts of it? Im not sure whats difficult pacifico. Surely its a pretty poor hill to die on arguing over such a silly issue? I suggest you read the briefing note from Parliament - especially the part titled "Is the Protocol being fully applied?"
Northern Ireland ProtocolThen if you still wish to believe that the protocol is being fully applied then fine - I dont see any need to continue this disagreement Nothing that Johnson did changed the GFA - the principle of ending majority rule and implementing cross community agreement still stands You seem to be now accepting that the Protocol is in incompatible with the GFA - which is what I said from the start.  [/quote] |
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Post by thomas on Jan 7, 2023 11:45:02 GMT
If the protocal hadnt been implemented as you claim in the first place , then the uk government wouldnt have an argument to claim the protocol wasnt working for N.I businesses and people , and therefore wouldnt have had to have implemented post protocol legislation to overturn parts of it? Im not sure whats difficult pacifico. Surely its a pretty poor hill to die on arguing over such a silly issue? I suggest you read the briefing note from Parliament - especially the part titled "Is the Protocol being fully applied?"
We are arguing semantics here .
Perhaps in the spirit of compromise , we can move forward by at least agreeing northern ireland has a different relationship to the EU compared to the rest of the uk. At best , you agree the protocol has been implemented , and i will agree perhaps parts of it havent fully and move on ?
If not , we will have to agree to disagree.
I agree , but again we are arguing semantics.
The point is its the protocol which the johnson administration agreed to that is causing the problem.
We havent disagreed on this point and i have agreed so during the course of this thread.
I appreciate you are angry and frustrated pacifico as an anglo brexiter that after nearly 7 years since the brexit ref , it still hasnt fully been implemented as you hoped.
Im not defending the protocol and using the GFA to hide behind. Im merely stating to you the facts on the ground. Im not a brexiter. Im not an anglo remianer trying to stir problems for brexit. Im neither unionist nor northern irish nationalist.
Neither english brexiters or anyone else can possibly use the GFA as a shield to justify ending the protocol or enacting it.
Unless you get cross community support , or the Ruk rejoins the eu in some way , then clearly brexit itself is incompatible with the GFA. Thats all im saying.
The protocol is here , right now. your side want to end it to achieve the pure brexit you wanted from 2016 , nationalists dont , and anglo brexiters and others are in the mix supporting it as well.
The protocol was the solution to the problems in northern ireland. I certainly havent said that it endorsed the spirit of cross community support of the GFA when it clearly doesnt.
Your government can end the Protocl here and now today if they so wish as the parliament of the uk. No current parliament can be bound by a previous parliament as we both know. The question is , why arent they?
Thats what you have to address to your own government.
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Post by thomas on Jan 7, 2023 11:49:05 GMT
Thomas you don't have a clue about the implementation of the Protocol Buccy i would be shocked if you even knew where the 6 counties actually were.
how we laughed when England got knocked out again despite buccy telling me they were going to win it this time.
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 8, 2023 9:40:34 GMT
Thomas you don't have a clue about the implementation of the Protocol Buccy i would be shocked if you even knew where the 6 counties actually were.
how we laughed when England got knocked out again despite buccy telling me they were going to win it this time.
Tell me, Tommy McRobinson - on your theory that the Protocol is being fully implemented. Lol |
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Post by thomas on Jan 8, 2023 10:43:57 GMT
Buccy i would be shocked if you even knew where the 6 counties actually were.
how we laughed when England got knocked out again despite buccy telling me they were going to win it this time.
Tell me, Tommy McRobinson - on your theory that the Protocol is being fully implemented. Lol are you saying northern ireland has the same relationship with the EU as the rest of the uk? Whats all the fuss about then? |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 8, 2023 10:46:54 GMT
Tell me, Tommy McRobinson - on your theory that the Protocol is being fully implemented. Lol are you saying northern ireland has the same relationship with the EU as the rest of the uk? Whats all the fuss about then? You tried and failed to laugh at me when I told you the Protocol hasn't been implemented in full. You believed it was. Are you now backtracking on that little Tommy? This was your response: to this: Read it and weep Mc Tommy Robinson. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 8, 2023 10:50:00 GMT
are you saying northern ireland has the same relationship with the EU as the rest of the uk? Whats all the fuss about then? You tried and failed to laugh at me when I told you the Protocol hasn't been implemented in full. You believed it was. Are you now backtracking on that little Tommy? see my above posts. Northern ireland is still effectivly part of the EU. I know it sticks , and you are deeply upset , but i cant help that fact buccy.
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 8, 2023 10:53:30 GMT
You tried and failed to laugh at me when I told you the Protocol hasn't been implemented in full. You believed it was. Are you now backtracking on that little Tommy? see my above posts. Northern ireland is still effectivly part of the EU. I know it sticks , and you are deeply upset , but i cant help that fact buccy.
You claimed the UK just rolled over and fucked Unionists off. When you didn't even know the UK hadn't implemented the Protocol in full. Shows how much you know wee Tommy McRobinson. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 8, 2023 11:13:51 GMT
see my above posts. Northern ireland is still effectivly part of the EU. I know it sticks , and you are deeply upset , but i cant help that fact buccy.
You claimed the UK just rolled over and fucked Unionists off. When you didn't even know the UK hadn't implemented the Protocol in full. Shows how much you know wee Tommy McRobinson. I stand by that claim. Are you now claiming unionists are happy with the status quo as it stands? |
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Post by buccaneer on Jan 8, 2023 11:55:23 GMT
You claimed the UK just rolled over and fucked Unionists off. When you didn't even know the UK hadn't implemented the Protocol in full. Shows how much you know wee Tommy McRobinson. I stand by that claim. Are you now claiming unionists are happy with the status quo as it stands? You stand by the claim the Protocol has been implemented in full? |
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Post by thomas on Jan 9, 2023 7:27:12 GMT
I stand by that claim. Are you now claiming unionists are happy with the status quo as it stands? You stand by the claim the Protocol has been implemented in full? You know buccy , this is like the equivalent of the english fans claiming England won the world cup by getting to the quarters , while ignoring the French Argentina final.
If brexiters want to claim to the world the protocol hasnt been implemented or only part implemented ,to portray some pyrrihic victory while the world laughs , then who am i to argue.?
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Post by thomas on Jan 9, 2023 7:32:17 GMT
The question remains , if its all fine and dandy as brexiters suggest , why isnt the DUP back in government powersharing if there is nothing to see here? The plot thickens........
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 9, 2023 7:58:24 GMT
The question remains , if its all fine and dandy as brexiters suggest , why isnt the DUP back in government powersharing if there is nothing to see here? The plot thickens........ What brexiter supports the Protocol - or is that something you have just invented? |
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