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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 3, 2023 14:29:08 GMT
But Varadkar said it was a "mistake" kim. Duh. No it wasn't. It was designed to break up the UK. Personally I couldn't give a shit about giving NI back to Ireland - it's always been a pain in the arse and is of no benefit to us whatever. FFS let it go.
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 3, 2023 14:58:23 GMT
But Varadkar said it was a "mistake" kim. Duh. No it wasn't. It was designed to break up the UK. Personally I couldn't give a shit about giving NI back to Ireland - it's always been a pain in the arse and is of no benefit to us whatever. FFS let it go. Sounds like another Brexiter conspiracy theory to me, Snuggles. Keep 'em coming. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 3, 2023 14:58:50 GMT
If Varadkar is softening, it is about money. Ireland must be suffering because of the mess in the North, not to mention the increase in violence which in itself could emasculate the Belfast agreement
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 3, 2023 17:55:20 GMT
No shit Sherlock - now if only someone had been telling you that for the past 2 years....  Do companies exporting from Britain to NI have to jump through more hoops than those exporting from Britain to the EU? You dont export anything from one part of the country to another part of the same country. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 3, 2023 19:31:03 GMT
Do companies exporting from Britain to NI have to jump through more hoops than those exporting from Britain to the EU? You dont export anything from one part of the country to another part of the same country. You've said there are no obstacles to trade between the UK and the EU. But you appear to be saying that there are obstacles to trade between Britain and N.I. That obviously means there are more obstacles to trade between Britain and N.I. than between the UK and the EU. What are these extra obstacles? |
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Post by Steve on Jan 3, 2023 19:36:47 GMT
But Varadkar said it was a "mistake" kim. Duh. No it wasn't. It was designed to break up the UK. Personally I couldn't give a shit about giving NI back to Ireland - it's always been a pain in the arse and is of no benefit to us whatever. FFS let it go. No it was designed to protect the EU and some stupid fool called Johnson agreed to it after his oppo Frost proposed it. Given the history of the UK leaking illegal products into the EU can you blame the EU for playing safe? Varadkar is trying to be helpful as several EU politicians have over the last 23 months. But when we've had 'leaders' determined to pandy to the DUP/UVF and their more extreme back benchers by slagging off the EU over and over it's hardly laid the ground for a good way forward. There's a solution to be had that'll look a lot like win win and maybe the right players are in position now to achieve it. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 3, 2023 22:21:01 GMT
You dont export anything from one part of the country to another part of the same country. You've said there are no obstacles to trade between the UK and the EU. But you appear to be saying that there are obstacles to trade between Britain and N.I. That obviously means there are more obstacles to trade between Britain and N.I. than between the UK and the EU. What are these extra obstacles? What the fuck are you waffling on about now?. Of course there are obstacles to trade - that was the whole fucking point of the exercise..  |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 3, 2023 22:29:24 GMT
You've said there are no obstacles to trade between the UK and the EU. But you appear to be saying that there are obstacles to trade between Britain and N.I. That obviously means there are more obstacles to trade between Britain and N.I. than between the UK and the EU. What are these extra obstacles? What the fuck are you waffling on about now?. Of course there are obstacles to trade - that was the whole fucking point of the exercise.. I asked a simple question: are there more obstacles to trading with N.I. or with the EU? |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 3, 2023 22:33:18 GMT
What the fuck are you waffling on about now?. Of course there are obstacles to trade - that was the whole fucking point of the exercise.. I asked a simple question: are there more obstacles to trading with N.I. or with the EU? EU - as its a foreign entity of course. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 3, 2023 22:35:25 GMT
I asked a simple question: are there more obstacles to trading with N.I. or with the EU? EU - as its a foreign entity of course. That means you're just whingeing for its own sake when you complain about the barriers to trade between Britain and NI. You said elsewhere that there are no barriers to trade between the UK and the EU. Now, you admit that the barriers to trade between the UK and NI are even less than those which exist between the UK and the EU. So, you're basically saying there are fuck all barriers to trading with NI. Maybe it's time you stopped moaning about the Protocol, Doc. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 4, 2023 7:47:09 GMT
EU - as its a foreign entity of course. That means you're just whingeing for its own sake when you complain about the barriers to trade between Britain and NI. You said elsewhere that there are no barriers to trade between the UK and the EU. Now, you admit that the barriers to trade between the UK and NI are even less than those which exist between the UK and the EU. So, you're basically saying there are fuck all barriers to trading with NI. Maybe it's time you stopped moaning about the Protocol, Doc. Are you having some sort of mental episode? I said in the previous post to this that there were barriers to trade - did you not read it or did you just fail to understand? |
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Post by steppenwolf on Jan 4, 2023 8:12:53 GMT
If Varadkar is softening, it is about money. Ireland must be suffering because of the mess in the North, not to mention the increase in violence which in itself could emasculate the Belfast agreement The problem with our politicians is that they're not tough enough. The UK is a VERY important trading partner for the EU. If we started applying the same level of checks to imports from the EU as they apply to our exports to them - which is perfectly legal within our agreements - we could severely impact their export market. It might be inconvenient for us but we're now quite capable of buying goods from non-EU countries - now we're not in the Customs Union. The other thing we should do is turn the screw on France. We have something very valuable to France - our fishing waters. We should make it clear to France that we're NOT going to pay them to stop the illegal migration in dinghies. We're going to withdraw ALL fishing permits from their fishing boats until they either stop the migration or agree to accept the return of the illegal immigrants. Macron will of course go berserk but what can he do? The French have often taken illegal unilateral action against us (blocking our beef, detaining our fishing boats etc) so it's about time we took the gloves off. It's the only thing that the EU understand. |
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 4, 2023 9:28:10 GMT
That means you're just whingeing for its own sake when you complain about the barriers to trade between Britain and NI. You said elsewhere that there are no barriers to trade between the UK and the EU. Now, you admit that the barriers to trade between the UK and NI are even less than those which exist between the UK and the EU. So, you're basically saying there are fuck all barriers to trading with NI. Maybe it's time you stopped moaning about the Protocol, Doc. Are you having some sort of mental episode? I said in the previous post to this that there were barriers to trade - did you not read it or did you just fail to understand? No, you said there were no barriers to trade between the UK and the EU. Have you changed your mind? |
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Post by thomas on Jan 4, 2023 9:29:16 GMT
the protocol wont be the cause of a united ireland. Irrespective of the wrongs of partitioning a country the british ruled as one , with only two of the six counties having a large unionist majority back in the twenties , the fact of the mater is the 6 counties have been moving slowly but surely towards a nationalist majority since the creation of the sectarian apartheid state.
We saw that in 2017 alone , when stormont for the first time in nearly hundred years lost its unionist majority.
The majority in northern ireland once again voted to stay in the EU , and johnson could have refused to agree to the protocol , but didnt so here we are.
You have to accept brexit has caused massive divisions within not just your own country england , but within the uk multi national state. Im not sure how this can be healed anytime soon , but dragging northern ireland out with scotland against the majority will will do nothing more than hasten the end of the union.
In the last election to stormont , and i appreciate they arent sitting due to the DUP throwing rattles out prams because o neil would be first minister , the majority voted for pro protocol candidates in a devolved election.
Are you suggesting the democratic view of the northern irish majority be overtruned anti democratically to appease a minority in northern ireland , or the few people who care in your own country?
That is what the Good Friday Agreement is expressly designed to do.. Im not sure that is true pacifico.
The GFA was expressley designed to power share , and give decisions on an equal basis to both communites and their elected representatives.
Have you ever hear of the petition of concern? This is often used for mla`s in the asembly to have matters passed on a cross community ( not minority ) basis rather than s simple majority show of hands as in most legislatures around the world.
Boris johnson scuppered that rule when he sold northern ireland down the river , not the nationalists the eu or anyone else. He could have said no , but agreed to the protocol for his own ends.
Unionists arent the majority in northern ireland , and havent been for many years. There are three main camps , unionist nationalist and non of the above , with the latter growing each year , who were massively in favour of both eu membership and the latter protocol.
The only people against the protocol are hardline unionists like bryson and co , a tiny minority. As evidenced by the last assembly election when a majority of northern ireland voted pro protocol MLA`s.
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Post by Einhorn on Jan 4, 2023 9:30:09 GMT
If Varadkar is softening, it is about money. Ireland must be suffering because of the mess in the North, not to mention the increase in violence which in itself could emasculate the Belfast agreement The problem with our politicians is that they're not tough enough. The UK is a VERY important trading partner for the EU. If we started applying the same level of checks to imports from the EU as they apply to our exports to them - which is perfectly legal within our agreements - we could severely impact their export market. It might be inconvenient for us but we're now quite capable of buying goods from non-EU countries - now we're not in the Customs Union. The other thing we should do is turn the screw on France. We have something very valuable to France - our fishing waters. We should make it clear to France that we're NOT going to pay them to stop the illegal migration in dinghies. We're going to withdraw ALL fishing permits from their fishing boats until they either stop the migration or agree to accept the return of the illegal immigrants. Macron will of course go berserk but what can he do? The French have often taken illegal unilateral action against us (blocking our beef, detaining our fishing boats etc) so it's about time we took the gloves off. It's the only thing that the EU understand. The window is getting smaller and smaller, Snuggles. Starmer will be looking for a closer relationship with the EU, the exact opposite of what you want. Welcome to the sunlit uplands. |
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