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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 17:10:01 GMT
Did you read that in the aritcle steve , showing how the blairites once again are arm in arm with establishment figures in that laura kuenssbergs dad donated to blairite wendy alexanders campaign....
wee dirty dougie of scottish blairite labour , and his lamentable sister wendy , both who received a kicking from the scottish anti blairite electorate long before corbyn took the helm and received the blame for the state of the labour party....
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 17:12:09 GMT
It has also lost it's reputation for impartiality. We on the left saw blatant anti-left bias during the Corbyn era which woke us up to the reality that trust in the impartiality of the BBC is wholly misguided. Laura Kuhnsberg herself is known in left wing circles as Tory Laura and similar things. Chances are you have seen similar establishmentarian bias in Scotland which would likely manifest as bias in favour of the Union. I don't know because I live nowhere near Scotland, but knowing the BBC as I do I suspect that is likely to have been the case. The BBC was led by it's establishmentarianism into being biased against Brexit for a long time and is irredeemably woke, for which reasons the right are as convinced as we are that the BBC is biased against them. It is in fact pro-establishment but very left wing on cultural and identity issues whilst being wedded to the thatcherite consensus, and thus very right wing - albeit with a nice face - on economic ones. In fact, See 2 probably loves it because in all of this it is actually more Blairite than anything else. BBC - the Blairite Broadcasting Corporation. its basically in my view the propaganda service of the uk government of the day. It represents the establishment , and as john pilger famously said has a reputation as the most refined propganda services in the world.
I fully agree it had a rabidly anti corbyn anti left wing bias....similarly as i posted before , in scotland its has had a rabidly pro labour pro establishment and union bias. The labour bias was extremely blairite .
this old article never ages....
An interesting and eye-opening - but wholly unsurprising - read. The BBC down in London is similar, mostly staffed by Tory appointees, there more for who they know and what they think rather than any particular competence and qualifications, which are incidental. Can you believe that the former Daily Mail editor - Paul Dacre - was not that long ago being seriously touted for the position of head of Ofcom, an organisation tasked with ensuring fair broadcasting amongst other things? You really couldn't make that shit up. |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 1, 2023 17:18:44 GMT
Not at all and you know that is not what I mean. Pressure and nudging. Not so overt as under the Nazis but still there. I do not care about any type of relationship, what I care about is propaganda whether it is the Nazis or much lower level in the modern world. Let us put it this way if there were no mixed race marriages anywhere on the box you would notice and you would then think it did matter as it was not reflective of modern life and propaganda to bring about mainly white marriages Well going too far in the other direction has the same feeling. Are you seriously putting forward an argument for quotas? 🤔 😂 You know I used to be on the left but I found that I had to defend indefencible positions just too often and the way to do that is to make judgements as regards what is said and take the wrong message. The subject is not mixed race marriages good or bad, the subject is the presentation of mixed race marriages being significantly more than exists in actuality and in so doing nudge the populace to see it as normal and prolific and happy. As I said that is nowhere near as overt as the Nazis depiction of Aryan perfection but it is there, either intentionally or unintentionally. The pressure to change society and make it cohesive and workable of course means that one has to suspect that the nudging is a deliberate policy. |
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Post by thomas on Jan 1, 2023 17:24:52 GMT
its basically in my view the propaganda service of the uk government of the day. It represents the establishment , and as john pilger famously said has a reputation as the most refined propganda services in the world.
I fully agree it had a rabidly anti corbyn anti left wing bias....similarly as i posted before , in scotland its has had a rabidly pro labour pro establishment and union bias. The labour bias was extremely blairite .
this old article never ages....
An interesting and eye-opening - but wholly unsurprising - read. The BBC down in London is similar, mostly staffed by Tory appointees, there more for who they know and what they think rather than any particular competence and qualifications, which are incidental. Can you believe that the former Daily Mail editor - Paul Dacre - was not that long ago being seriously touted for the position of head of Ofcom, an organisation tasked with ensuring fair broadcasting amongst other things? You really couldn't make that shit up. i know steve. Can you also believe in the media in scotland , that starmer and sarwars "labour party " lmfao are being urged to stop doing dirty deals with the tories?
You wonder why i hate the labour party and what they have become?
As i said on the other thread , in last mays local elections in scotland , in the aftermath both the ordinary voters and the media were taking the piss out of starmer and sarwar in saying new labour under them put more tory counciloors in power than the scottish electorate did.
I kid you not.
Nothing surprises me anymore. The older i get the more sceptical i become of the lot of them.
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 1, 2023 17:28:45 GMT
Not at all and you know that is not what I mean. Pressure and nudging. Not so overt as under the Nazis but still there. I do not care about any type of relationship, what I care about is propaganda whether it is the Nazis or much lower level in the modern world. Let us put it this way if there were no mixed race marriages anywhere on the box you would notice and you would then think it did matter as it was not reflective of modern life and propaganda to bring about mainly white marriages Well going too far in the other direction has the same feeling. Are you seriously putting forward an argument for quotas? 🤔 😂 You are aware that the BBC has quotas for on and off screen program makers.. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 1, 2023 17:35:50 GMT
An interesting and eye-opening - but wholly unsurprising - read. The BBC down in London is similar, mostly staffed by Tory appointees, there more for who they know and what they think rather than any particular competence and qualifications, which are incidental. Can you believe that the former Daily Mail editor - Paul Dacre - was not that long ago being seriously touted for the position of head of Ofcom, an organisation tasked with ensuring fair broadcasting amongst other things? You really couldn't make that shit up. i know steve. Can you also believe in the media in scotland , that starmer and sarwars "labour party " lmfao are being urged to stop doing dirty deals with the tories?
You wonder why i hate the labour party and what they have become?
As i said on the other thread , in last mays local elections in scotland , in the aftermath both the ordinary voters and the media were taking the piss out of starmer and sarwar in saying new labour under them put more tory counciloors in power than the scottish electorate did.
I kid you not.
Nothing surprises me anymore. The older i get the more sceptical i become of the lot of them.
Me too. Down here the Blairites fully behaved as if they saw the Tories as a lesser evil than their own party under Corbyn. Some of them choosing to stand down in 2019 - eg Ian Austin - actually urged their constituents to vote Tory. New Labour is far closer to Toryism and thatcherism than it is to anything genuinely left leaning. Down here many on the left have some measure of respect for the SNP doing some genuinely progressive things which we wish were on the agenda down here. No wonder Labour sides with the Tories against them. Anyone prepared to go into coalition with the Tories loses any credible claim to genuinely left leaning credentials. If Starmer's only path to power were a grand coalition between Labour and Tories, he'd not hesitate. Though some in his party and the Tories themselves might. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Jan 1, 2023 18:52:34 GMT
Anyways, I doubt that the BBC is actually “warping modern Britain” since nobody under the age of 90 appears to watch the BBC.
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Post by Toreador on Jan 1, 2023 18:58:44 GMT
Anyways, I doubt that the BBC is actually “warping modern Britain” since nobody under the age of 90 appears to watch the BBC. Fecking ageist! |
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Post by sandypine on Jan 1, 2023 19:07:45 GMT
Anyways, I doubt that the BBC is actually “warping modern Britain” since nobody under the age of 90 appears to watch the BBC. I think that is about right. I do not watch the News or the News channel. I avoid most of the modern dramas as experience means that they will be up to the hilt with some form of propaganda. Even the public information films are stuffed with propaganda of one sort or another. The Home internationals in the rugby or the rugby world cup are about the only time now I tune in. I used to watch Only Connect and University Challenge but they clash with Mark Steyn so I had to make a choice, Steyn won. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Jan 2, 2023 1:33:46 GMT
Are you seriously putting forward an argument for quotas? 🤔 😂 You are aware that the BBC has quotas for on and off screen program makers.. I'm not really arguing for quotas at all, more merely commenting that that is the natural outcome of SandyPine's argument, something that I'm a little surprised at. It rather raised a chuckle when I read it. No hidden agenda from me. |
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Post by borchester on Jan 2, 2023 1:56:23 GMT
If Starmer's only path to power were a grand coalition between Labour and Tories, he'd not hesitate. Though some in his party and the Tories themselves might. True enough, although I imagine that Starmer will simply move the party to the right.  |
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Post by totheleft3 on Jan 2, 2023 1:58:41 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Jan 2, 2023 7:48:36 GMT
I have work today so haven't the time to listen to all that. Whatever point you are trying to make might be better made by typing a few sentences or a paragraph or two for us to read. |
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Post by Pacifico on Jan 2, 2023 7:57:58 GMT
Posting random links to other websites without any comment or explanation is not really the purpose of this forum. Perhaps you could try articulating some of the arguments and then explain why the views of an ex-BBC employee are relevant. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Jan 2, 2023 8:29:43 GMT
impartialitalork today so haven't the time to listen to all that. Whatever point you are trying to make might be better made by typing a few sentences or a paragraph or two for us to read. She claimed that a tory agent was shaping news reports by acting as the arbiter of BBC impartiality |
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