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Post by research0it on Dec 30, 2022 7:23:13 GMT
This phase is called transitioning and here is another explanation
Gender transition (also known as Gender Affirmation[1]) is the process of changing one's gender presentation or sex characteristics to accord with one's internal sense of gender identity – the idea of what it means to be a man or a woman,[2] or to be non-binary or genderqueer. For transgender and transsexual people, this process commonly involves reassignment therapy (which may include hormone replacement therapy and sex reassignment surgery), with their gender identity being opposite that of their birth-assigned sex and gender. Transitioning might involve medical treatment, but it does not always involve it. Cross-dressers, drag queens, and drag kings tend not to transition, since their variant gender presentations are (usually) only adopted temporarily.
Transition begins with a decision to transition, prompted by the feeling that one's gender identity does not match the sex that one was assigned at birth. One of the most common parts of transitioning is coming out for the first time.
Transitioning is a process that can take anywhere between several months and several years. Some people, especially non-binary or genderqueer people, may spend their whole life transitioning and may redefine and re-interpret their gender as time passes. Transitioning generally begins where the person feels comfortable: for some, this begins with their family with whom they are intimate and reaches to friends later or may begin with friends first and family later. Sometimes transitioning is at different stages between different spheres of life. For example, someone may transition far with family and friends before even coming out at their workplace.
When all else fails, research it.
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 30, 2022 8:15:13 GMT
This phase is called transitioning and here is another explanation Gender transition (also known as Gender Affirmation[1]) is the process of changing one's gender presentation or sex characteristics to accord with one's internal sense of gender identity – the idea of what it means to be a man or a woman,[2] or to be non-binary or genderqueer. For transgender and transsexual people, this process commonly involves reassignment therapy (which may include hormone replacement therapy and sex reassignment surgery), with their gender identity being opposite that of their birth-assigned sex and gender. Transitioning might involve medical treatment, but it does not always involve it. Cross-dressers, drag queens, and drag kings tend not to transition, since their variant gender presentations are (usually) only adopted temporarily. Transition begins with a decision to transition, prompted by the feeling that one's gender identity does not match the sex that one was assigned at birth. One of the most common parts of transitioning is coming out for the first time. Transitioning is a process that can take anywhere between several months and several years. Some people, especially non-binary or genderqueer people, may spend their whole life transitioning and may redefine and re-interpret their gender as time passes. Transitioning generally begins where the person feels comfortable: for some, this begins with their family with whom they are intimate and reaches to friends later or may begin with friends first and family later. Sometimes transitioning is at different stages between different spheres of life. For example, someone may transition far with family and friends before even coming out at their workplace. When all else fails, research it. This does not answer the question. It describes a physical process AFTER someone thinks they are of the other gender. I am asking what that means. How do you know you are male or female? There are many women who do traditional male things...ie firefighting, police, military. They do traditional male sports l8ke boxing or rugby. But they don't want to become men. They are definitely female. It isn't just physical either. Many women can't have children, have physical deformities or operations but they are still women. Ditto men. So how does a child born in one genetic category know enough about what it is like to be of the other, enough to become that other? My femaleness has nothing to do with my appearance or activities or choice of dress or the way I sit or stand or choose friends who are of both genders. But I know I am a woman. How? Because if I can't explain it, how can someone of the opposite gender know it enough to want to be it? Which BTW I seriously doubt that will ever really happen. A child born in one gender will always be that gender and if dug up years into the future, DNA will identify them as their birth gender. |
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Post by research0it on Dec 30, 2022 8:28:13 GMT
It's legal and technical attempts to put something down that defines a largely internal process. As such one has to accept limitations. The only way to answer your question fully is to actually be transgender. I'm not, so living as a woman is pretty much impossible to understand.
You have asked a question that only a transgender can answer and even if one appears on this forum, I'm not sure any of us would comprehend the answer.
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 30, 2022 10:14:20 GMT
It's legal and technical attempts to put something down that defines a largely internal process. As such one has to accept limitations. The only way to answer your question fully is to actually be transgender. I'm not, so living as a woman is pretty much impossible to understand. You have asked a question that only a transgender can answer and even if one appears on this forum, I'm not sure any of us would comprehend the answer. I agree Which is why questions like "what is a woman" are silly and are nothing but a PC gotcha question. I am leaning towards the idea, not at all new, that the problem isn't that the body is wrong, but that the mind isn't synchronised to the body, which is why it is truly a dysphoria. " The word dysphoria is used in general to describe discomfort, distress, or unease. For trans people, this kind of distress may be associated with our gender, our bodies, or how those around us perceive our gender, and so is often given the name 'gender dysphoria'. www.transhub.org.au › dysp... Dysphoria - TransHub I wonder if enough is done to try to reconcile the body and the mind instead of the rush to surgery, now getting so much sympathetic publicity. |
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Post by research0it on Dec 30, 2022 10:50:39 GMT
Well, I have done more reading about the history and evolution of transgender legislation and theory in the last 2 weeks than in my entire life.
The route you suggest has been well trodden as, for most of the awareness of this issue, both the public and the medical profession treated and regarded transgender people as mentally ill, sexually perverted, or both.
Even now, that's still the view of many, perhaps even most. Someone on this forum has suggested that to prove yourself female, you must have your bits chopped off. There being a clear implication that you have to prove something and that if you don't, then you must be a pervert.
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 30, 2022 11:26:39 GMT
Well, I have done more reading about the history and evolution of transgender legislation and theory in the last 2 weeks than in my entire life. The route you suggest has been well trodden as, for most of the awareness of this issue, both the public and the medical profession treated and regarded transgender people as mentally ill, sexually perverted, or both. Even now, that's still the view of many, perhaps even most. Someone on this forum has suggested that to prove yourself female, you must have your bits chopped off. There being a clear implication that you have to prove something and that if you don't, then you must be a pervert. That seems a violent and very shallow consideration of the issue including the pejorative attitude to mental illness. We know that the development of the foetus is not always without anomalies and that includes the brain. Babies are born with other mental issues and are almost always treated with consideration...prevented from doing self harm when possible and we normally do not make cruel jokes about them. I would like to think that one day we can deal with this issue in the same way. That we can spend more time trying to remarry mind and body. And the idea that it will be a mere three months to get a certificate to change gender is I think ridiculous. |
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Post by research0it on Dec 30, 2022 11:57:10 GMT
I believe the thinking on that is it willjust take 3 months to get a certificate. Which will only confirm what the individual has known for years
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Post by Bentley on Dec 30, 2022 14:07:01 GMT
Hi Bentley I'm fascinated by your reply You've presented me with a premis that has no evidence. You've admitted yourself that what you fear COULD happen. Then you've taken something I've researched out of context to the rest of what I presented and used framing to infer a meaning not given. So did you watch the thing with the German pastor that I linked a couple of pages ago? Where the conclusion was that stupidity was worse than evil? One of the things stated was that people believe things collectively. If you confront them with evidence that their belief system is wrong, they ignore it and if you provide irrefutable evidence it's wrong, it's dismissed as irrelevant, biased or skewed? Watch it if you haven't and isn't that you? Can you really look in the mirror? It certainly fits the road you've gone down. Why don't you look for evidence you're right? If you present me with it, I'll give it due weight. BTW I'm not insulting you. The clip made it clear that you could be technically very clever and still be part of the collectively stupid AND vice versa. This makes no sense . Can somebody other that Searchy explain what he is on about ? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 30, 2022 14:16:37 GMT
On the question posed by the OP, here is a legal definition from Finland as to what it means to live as a member of the opposite sex. Transsexualism involves a desire to live and be accepted as a member of the opposite sex, usually accompanied by the wish to make one’s body as congruent as possible with one’s preferred sex through surgery and/or hormonal treatment. The desire has to be persistent and not a symptom of a mental disorder. It's obvious that you could only understand what it means if you're transexual. Attempts by non transexuals will just descend into ridicule, as this thread shows. Why couldn't anyone else have looked this up? How would that vary from say the desire to be a punk and to have one's body altered with piercings and other gross stuff to be more congruent with punk? |
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Post by research0it on Dec 30, 2022 15:16:51 GMT
Hi Baron von lotsov
Maybe it isn't that different. It's maybe just harder to achieve. Maybe.
As I said perhaps trying to understand the issue is only possible if one is transgender. A bit like trying to get someone who is colour blind to explain what they see.
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 30, 2022 16:01:13 GMT
Hi Baron von lotsov Maybe it isn't that different. It's maybe just harder to achieve. Maybe. As I said perhaps trying to understand the issue is only possible if one is transgender. A bit like trying to get someone who is colour blind to explain what they see. The problem comes when transgender assume you understand what they feel because they do, while the vast majority of people like me can't understand it, for reasons I gave. If they want to be taken seriously in my opinion they will either have to get psychological experts to put their approach into layman's terms or just stop shouting about their " identity". Sspeaking for myself, I am getting fed up with the barrage of angst this whole subject commands. I really don't care what people do with their bodies or what they think they are. Nor do I think it will bring down western Civilisation as we know it, or incur the wrath of God, both of which I have seen in American politics. Which does not mean I don't have an opinion. I just don't think it matters anymore than that of my parents who thought girls in miniskirts were sluts. |
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Post by research0it on Dec 30, 2022 16:01:35 GMT
Hi Bentley
You need to watch the clip about the German pastor who was imprisoned by the Nazis a few pages ago.
Although I suspect you're going down the road of one of my friends when he cannot answer me - he starts saying that my assertions are "meaningless". Try answering that one.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 30, 2022 17:13:24 GMT
For very weird reasons you're trying to pick a fight with people who aren't against people having their bodies altered.
What's up ? You bored / Lonely ?
Go to the pub, talk to people.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 30, 2022 17:14:32 GMT
Hi Bentley You need to watch the clip about the German pastor who was imprisoned by the Nazis a few pages ago. Although I suspect you're going down the road of one of my friends when he cannot answer me - he starts saying that my assertions are "meaningless". Try answering that one. I probably I don’t need to watch that clip. I suspect that you posted a meaningless mess of a post and are trying to justify it by asserting that claiming it is meaningless equals not being able to answer it . Which is correct in a way because it is quite impossible to answer a meaningless post meaningfully. If you claim that this post is meaningless then I will respond that you claimed it was meaningless because you can’t answer it. Try answering that one . You have a friend ? |
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Post by research0it on Dec 30, 2022 18:00:46 GMT
Hi Bentley
You're not very good at interpretation.
When I said "try answering that one" it was a pithy address to myself, displaying the hopelessness of trying to come up with an answer. How can I put this in a way that he/she will understand? When you know full well they're just deflecting.
So I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and fully explain what I meant
The clip was saying that a kind of mass stupidity was worse than evil as the perpetrator of the mass stupidity can't recognise it in themselves whereas evil people know full well what they are doing.
A German pastor watched mobs throwing stones through jew shops and publicly humiliating Jewish people on the street, all encouraged by the Nazis. He denounced this and got imprisoned. He then wrote materials from jail, wondering how his country of thinkers and artists could go down that dark road.
He concluded that the mob displayed symptoms of mass stupidity. THEN came the salient point. The people guilty of this ignored any evidence or research that contradicted their beliefs. If it was irrefutable evidence, then they called it biased, wrongly framed or irrelevant.
You pointed out to me that you didn't trust research on the grounds that it would inevitably be wrongly framed - exactly what those infected with mass stupidity say.
Now I'm not saying you're guilty of this, I'm just drawing your attention to the parallel and asking you to look in the mirror. You don't even have to tell me if you think or don't think that you're guilty of it, just beware.
Hi vinny
I hope that you can see from above that I'm not trying to pick a fight with anyone.
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