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Post by Bentley on Dec 29, 2022 14:03:03 GMT
That is there is a finite number of transgender people and the legislation won't change that. X over y equals z Where X is number of predatory maled Y is the number of transgender Z is the predation rate So for you to be correct the legislation would have to increase y It hasn't been so. I’ve explained that all you need to do is change the definition of predatory male to female . Your problem is that you can’t escape either your confirmation that predatory males posing as females exists or the simple maths that confirm it will increase if more transgender women are allowed in safe spaces for women . You are trying to sell us an argument that an increase in exposure to potential male sexual predators will not increase the risk of sexual assaults on women. |
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Post by research0it on Dec 29, 2022 14:06:48 GMT
Hi Bentley
No I'm not. If you can't interpret the posts I make then we're done.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 29, 2022 14:16:15 GMT
Hi Bentley No I'm not. If you can't interpret the posts I make then we're done. I interpreted them perfectly. You pointed out a problem . Ignored the potential for the problem to increase. You claimed that an increase in numbers would not cause in increase in events and ignored my point that showed how an increase in events could easily be hidden. You and others like you want women to carry the burden of your folly. I don’t. If transgender men are at risk in jail then they should be segregated from the other prisoners . If a man wants to dress and behave like a woman then he should be required to carry the burden , not women . |
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Post by research0it on Dec 29, 2022 14:19:41 GMT
Hi Bentley
To be fair, maybe I worded it badly. So I'll quote from one of the many research papers I've looked at on the subject
...... will be argued in the following section, is based on the false assumptions that reform will provide a much larger group of trans women access to women-only spaces, and that sex-based exceptions, which it is wrongly believed cannot be invoked against GRC-holders, provide an effective tool for exclusion. The reality is, the ‘hordes’ of trans women who lie at the gates of women-only spaces are already inside and, importantly, already legally entitled to be there by virtue of the EA.....
EA is the equalities act.
So the conclusion of this paper is that y will not increase . Therefore z won't either
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Post by Bentley on Dec 29, 2022 14:24:40 GMT
Hi Bentley To be fair, maybe I worded it badly. So I'll quote from one of the many research papers I've looked at on the subject ...... will be argued in the following section, is based on the false assumptions that reform will provide a much larger group of trans women access to women-only spaces, and that sex-based exceptions, which it is wrongly believed cannot be invoked against GRC-holders, provide an effective tool for exclusion. The reality is, the ‘hordes’ of trans women who lie at the gates of women-only spaces are already inside and, importantly, already legally entitled to be there by virtue of the EA..... EA is the equalities act. So the conclusion of this paper is that y will not increase . Therefore z won't either Just file it with the other research papers that were mistaken . In other news a research paper in 1988 refutes the notion that prisoners will be willing to put mobile phones up their bums…😁 |
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Post by research0it on Dec 29, 2022 14:36:06 GMT
Hi Bentley
OK we're going nowhere. I just wonder where you get your ideas and opinions from, if you don't trust research?
I mean only 2 weeks ago, I didn't know what to make of this legislation. I would read what both sides say and both would appear to be perfectly reasonable. I play mixed sex hockey and one of the females was particularly up in arms about it. Interestingly she couldn't get the other females to sign her petition as they thought it would address discrimination against transgenders.
So what to do. Well I thought about how it went down in countries that had passed it years ago, relative violence and abuse against women and transgender people, what causes suicides in transgender people and how it altered the equalities act.
Then cross checked the information, and came to a view.
You've admitted that the nasty outcomes are POTENTIAL nasty outcomes. So how do you come to a view that they are sure to happen if you don't trust research?
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Post by Bentley on Dec 29, 2022 14:45:46 GMT
Hi Bentley OK we're going nowhere. I just wonder where you get your ideas and opinions from, if you don't trust research? I mean only 2 weeks ago, I didn't know what to make of this legislation. I would read what both sides say and both would appear to be perfectly reasonable. I play mixed sex hockey and one of the females was particularly up in arms about it. Interestingly she couldn't get the other females to sign her petition as they thought it would address discrimination against transgenders. So what to do. Well I thought about how it went down in countries that had passed it years ago, relative violence and abuse against women and transgender people, what causes suicides in transgender people and how it altered the equalities act. Then cross checked the information, and came to a view. You've admitted that the nasty outcomes are POTENTIAL nasty outcomes. So how do you come to a view that they are sure to happen if you don't trust research? As I said , your research has pointed out a real problem with the potential to become even worse. Ive pointed out how definitions could change research results to suit agendas. I don’t think women should shoulder the burden of the leftie quest search to reframe society to accommodate their new found victims . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 29, 2022 15:00:08 GMT
Women want to be more like men? Are you sure? I’m not sure I agree. Besides a small number of hardcore feminists, I’m really not sure they do. When you’re getting your car fixed, is it a man or woman who repairs it? What about when you call a plumber? Or a gas fitter, or an electrician? This isn’t to say there is anything wrong with the few women in these jobs but applications by women onto engineering courses are exceptionally uncommon, and that’s just a single example. What about construction? How many buildings in the city of London were constructed by a woman? What about the thousands of miles of sewage tunnels beneath or the tens of thousands of electricity cables? Women just don’t seek the same jobs men do. Conversely- are most carers, women or men? What about beauticians or makeup stylists? When was the last time you hired a male babysitter (from outside your friends and family?) Women do not want to be like men - and I’m pretty glad that’s the case because do you know what I like most about women? That women aren’t dudes. My experience is many foreign women are more like women than British ones. Actually it does depend on the nationality. In the US they are even more butch than in the UK but if you go to Italy or Malta, or even France for that matter, you do tend to notice they are more feminine. Notice the figures of different women. In Britain and the US they are very fat, where your Italian girl will have that classic hourglass figure with slender legs. I think one reason is religion. The Italians and Maltese are very strongly Catholic. To me it is instantly obvious, but I see many Brit men in denial. We have very bolshie women here. The ones who went to university are especially so. |
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Post by research0it on Dec 29, 2022 18:29:34 GMT
Hi Bentley
I'm fascinated by your reply
You've presented me with a premis that has no evidence. You've admitted yourself that what you fear COULD happen. Then you've taken something I've researched out of context to the rest of what I presented and used framing to infer a meaning not given.
So did you watch the thing with the German pastor that I linked a couple of pages ago? Where the conclusion was that stupidity was worse than evil?
One of the things stated was that people believe things collectively. If you confront them with evidence that their belief system is wrong, they ignore it and if you provide irrefutable evidence it's wrong, it's dismissed as irrelevant, biased or skewed?
Watch it if you haven't and isn't that you? Can you really look in the mirror?
It certainly fits the road you've gone down.
Why don't you look for evidence you're right? If you present me with it, I'll give it due weight.
BTW I'm not insulting you. The clip made it clear that you could be technically very clever and still be part of the collectively stupid AND vice versa.
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Post by om15 on Dec 29, 2022 21:17:05 GMT
Out of interest GB News has carried out a poll throughout the UK and Nigel Farage told us on his show this evening that the following results were found, (they didn't give us the number of people approached)
In favour of the Scottish GR proposed law,
UK sample 20% for 80% against
Scotland sample 18% for 81% against.
That might cause Starmer rethink his enthusiasm for this nonsense. Mrs May seems to have withdrawn her support, at least in public anyway.
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Post by research0it on Dec 29, 2022 21:46:30 GMT
Hi Om15
Having watched that clip on the German pastor, I think that political leaders should lead and not follow. The question is whether the legislation is right or wrong, not what the public think.
If there's one man that the current conservative party are terrified of, it's Nigel Farage (not Kier Starmer).
He's almost converted the conservative party to the Brexit party and is well on the way of moving them to the reform party.
It's time the conservatives stood up, led and clearly told their followers that the man is a populist charlatan, a purveyor of anti intellectual billsh1t and probably a racist as well. If the price is losing, then for the sake of the country, they should be prepared to pay. Only they can do this as his followers wouldn't believe the labour party, if they said it.
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 29, 2022 21:47:56 GMT
If men can't describe what living like a woman means, and women can't describe it either, it means nothing.
ISTM it has more to do with changing rooms and toilets. If that is all it is, do the applicants have to submit photos of themselves in appropriate spaces? Crossing legs or manspreading as appropriate? Referring to that video of the bloke dressing as a woman, women don't usually dress like that. It isn't female. It is camp.
From what I hear the issue is more about what gender is on birth and other certificates, and driving licences. It will make a mess of genealogical records for future researchers.
Why if this is such an issue, can't certificates be issued in both the birth gender and the adopted one, marked by some code or key.
It just feels the whole issue has become an overblown social cause and too big a part of the culture wars.
Just one thing...if you want to be a woman, be one, but not your idea of what that means. I am usually found in jeans and a sloppy sweater and sit with my feet up next to me. I havent used makeup in years, worn stocking in 20 years post retirement, and prefer low or no heels on my shoes. I don't mind using unisex toilets and know there is always an assistant in changing rooms. And I can assure you all, I am a woman.
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Post by Vinny on Dec 30, 2022 0:46:00 GMT
If men can't describe what living like a woman means, and women can't describe it either, it means nothing. ISTM it has more to do with changing rooms and toilets. If that is all it is, do the applicants have to submit photos of themselves in appropriate spaces? Crossing legs or manspreading as appropriate? Referring to that video of the bloke dressing as a woman, women don't usually dress like that. It isn't female. It is camp. From what I hear the issue is more about what gender is on birth and other certificates, and driving licences. It will make a mess of genealogical records for future researchers. Why if this is such an issue, can't certificates be issued in both the birth gender and the adopted one, marked by some code or key. It just feels the whole issue has become an overblown social cause and too big a part of the culture wars. Just one thing...if you want to be a woman, be one, but not your idea of what that means. I am usually found in jeans and a sloppy sweater and sit with my feet up next to me. I havent used makeup in years, worn stocking in 20 years post retirement, and prefer low or no heels on my shoes. I don't mind using unisex toilets and know there is always an assistant in changing rooms. And I can assure you all, I am a woman. First of all, not being physically able to use a urinal (due to lack of penis).
Secondly, having actual breasts.
Thirdly, not being physically able to grow a beard.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Dec 30, 2022 1:12:30 GMT
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Post by research0it on Dec 30, 2022 7:13:56 GMT
On the question posed by the OP, here is a legal definition from Finland as to what it means to live as a member of the opposite sex.
Transsexualism involves a desire to live and be accepted as a member of the opposite sex, usually accompanied by the wish to make one’s body as congruent as possible with one’s preferred sex through surgery and/or hormonal treatment. The desire has to be persistent and not a symptom of a mental disorder.
It's obvious that you could only understand what it means if you're transexual. Attempts by non transexuals will just descend into ridicule, as this thread shows.
Why couldn't anyone else have looked this up?
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