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Post by Bentley on Dec 29, 2022 11:06:13 GMT
Hi Bentley Can't you take a hint from my user name? Research stuff. Be informed. So I took at random a single year I used levels of prisoners and levels of violence in prisons in England and Wales (A) Then levels of transgender prisoners and levels of violence against transgender prisoners in England and Wales (B) (A) was 27.03% (B) was 89.84% So violence against transgender people in prisons was more than 3 times the level than against all else. You could have looked all that up as well. Why didn't you? Anyway that's the last time I'll divert from what the OP was actually asking and think seriously about that question. THE OP MUST BE GOING MAD. Nothing that you have posted here refutes my point. Neither does it make a compelling case for putting biological males who claim to be women in women’s prisons or safe spaces for women. |
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Post by thomas on Dec 29, 2022 11:09:58 GMT
There does seem to be cross party splits in both scotland and england over this contentious issue .
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Post by thomas on Dec 29, 2022 11:11:14 GMT
Michael Fabricant 🇬🇧🇺🇦
mike_Fabricant
Is Scotland being so outrageous on the principle of gender recognition legislation? I think not. It is simply following Norway, Portugal, Denmark, France, Ireland, Belgium, Switzerland, Greece, and Iceland.
So let's not get our nickers in a twist about this
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Post by borchester on Dec 29, 2022 11:17:57 GMT
There does seem to be cross party splits in both scotland and england over this contentious issue .
I have no dog in this fight and win or lose, wish the Nats well and don't give a toss who is using which loo.
But Jesus Christ, you would think that the SNP has enough problems without Jaydee and Mrs May on its side
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Post by thomas on Dec 29, 2022 11:23:09 GMT
There does seem to be cross party splits in both scotland and england over this contentious issue .
I have no dog in this fight and win or lose, wish the Nats well and don't give a toss who is using which loo.
But Jesus Christ, you would think that the SNP has enough problems without Jaydee and Mrs May on its side
As far as im aware , most folk couldnt give a flying fuck what weirdo wants to dress up as a woman. Thats their business. The argument as far as i can see is the safeguards , or lack of them , in allowing these people "equality" .
The concern is safe spaces for woman. As a father of a daughter , a husband of a wife , and brother of a sister etc , like any other person , we are concerned how this legislation will impact our woman folk.
My point here is this isnt a scottish or snp issue. Its multi party across the board , and multi country , both in and out of the yookay.
There are splits in your tory party over it borkie , and of course , starmer and his labour luvvies arent able to define a woman , and as we know , will be implementing similar if they gain power in englandshire.
By the way borkie , many nats as you put it voted against this legislation and dont support it.
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Post by research0it on Dec 29, 2022 11:58:57 GMT
Hi Bentley
OK you've forced me to break my word to the OP.
If being more than 3 times likely to be beaten up as a transgender in a male prison and more than 200 times more likely to experience such violence than the very odd case of a male prisoner pretending to be transgender, gaining access to a female prison and abusing the women there, isn't some sort of compelling evidence where the real problem is, then I wouldn't know what is. There's no hope for you.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 29, 2022 12:10:39 GMT
Hi Bentley OK you've forced me to break my word to the OP. If being more than 3 times likely to be beaten up as a transgender in a male prison and more than 200 times more likely to experience such violence than the very odd case of a male prisoner pretending to be transgender, gaining access to a female prison and abusing the women there, isn't some sort of compelling evidence where the real problem is, then I wouldn't know what is. There's no hope for you. Sorry Darling but I am merely using your research. You..”England and Wales, over an 8 year period, there were 6 instances of male prisoners pretending to be transgender in order to access women's prisons and abuse female prisoners. (Yeah 6 too many). “ 6 too many indeed. You have highlighted that sexual predators ( ie biological makes pretending to be women )do exist within transgender women . Your figures could potentially rise dramatically if more transgender women are allowed in safe spaces for women . You “In a single year, in England and Wales, there were 168 acts of violence and sexual abuse against transgender people in male prisons.” As I pointed out . There is a high amount of acts of violence and sexual assault on straight males in prison . It follows that transgender women would be included. I repeat , nothing you have posted makes a compelling case for moving the risk of sexual assault from men’s prisons to women’s prisons or to increase the risk of sexual assault ( that you confirmed) in safe areas for women . |
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Post by research0it on Dec 29, 2022 12:56:43 GMT
Hi Bentley
Yes but they are more than 3 times higher for transgender.
So if you are a transgender in male prisons you are more than 3 times likely to get beat up than anyone else. You ok with that?
On your other point, there are many countries that have had this legislation for many years. There is no evidence that this type of legislation has resulted in any increase of males pretending to be transgender in order to abuse women. In prison or anywhere else.
They did it before. They did it afterwards. At more or less the same rate
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Post by Bentley on Dec 29, 2022 13:05:19 GMT
Hi Bentley Yes but they are more than 3 times higher for transgender. So if you are a transgender in male prisons you are more than 3 times likely to get beat up than anyone else. You ok with that? On your other point, there are many countries that have had this legislation for many years. There is no evidence that this type of legislation has resulted in any increase of males pretending to be transgender in order to abuse women. In prison or anywhere else. They did it before. They did it afterwards. At more or less the same rate If you are a female in prison then you will have an increased likelihood to be sexually assaulted. One that potentially will increase even more over time. You ok with that? If more transgender women are allowed into safe spaces for women then the potential for sexual abuse increases. If that doesn’t change then it’s probably because the idea that the men are pretending is discounted and the sexual assaults become women sexually assaulting other women. |
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Post by research0it on Dec 29, 2022 13:33:24 GMT
Hi Bentley
But there's no evidence for such increase in countries that have already introduced similar legislation. And there is over 30, covering over 275 million people.
What you're really saying is that you are happy to live with a current real problem (the 3 times+ greater violence to transgenders) rather than risk a projected problem that you FEAR may happen and for which there is no evidence.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 29, 2022 13:40:37 GMT
Hi Bentley But there's no evidence for such increase in countries that have already introduced similar legislation. And there is over 30, covering over 275 million people. What you're really saying is that you are happy to live with a current real problem (the 3 times+ greater violence to transgenders) rather than risk a projected problem that you FEAR may happen and for which there is no evidence. You “There is no evidence that this type of legislation has resulted in any increase of males pretending to be transgender in order to abuse women. In prison or anywhere else.” If you abandon the idea that transgender makes could be pretending then zero cases of makes pretending to be women sexually assaulting women . If today there are x sexual assaults on women from y amounts on transgender men then if y is increased the likelihood is that the assaults would increase . You only need to change the definition of the assaults from male assaults on women to female assaults on women to decrease the figures. Thats why I don’t trust you or the figures . Its not a projected problem . Your research has proved that it is a real problem …do you want me to post your proof again? |
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Post by research0it on Dec 29, 2022 13:49:12 GMT
Hi Bentley
But the crucial error you're making is that the legislation will increase the number of transgender people and applications. Which it didn't. It merely makes application easier.
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Post by om15 on Dec 29, 2022 13:49:25 GMT
Let's put statistics and predictions to one side for a moment. Early on in the thread we saw a clip where an extremely large and powerful looking man walked into a public area.
Would you be relaxed at the thought of this person using the Ladies Loo at the same time as your wife or teenage daughter?
I wouldn't, and the fact that Mrs May doesn't care doesn't alter my alarm.
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Post by Bentley on Dec 29, 2022 13:53:43 GMT
Hi Bentley But the crucial error you're making is that the legislation will increase the number of transgender people and applications. Which it didn't. It merely makes application easier. Which will increase the applications until it reaches its potential. If there are sexual predators in the mix then they will increase . The only question is ..how much? When anything is made easier to do , it will increase . |
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Post by research0it on Dec 29, 2022 13:54:33 GMT
That is there is a finite number of transgender people and the legislation won't change that.
X over y equals z
Where
X is number of predatory maled
Y is the number of transgender
Z is the predation rate
So for you to be correct the legislation would have to increase y
It hasn't been so.
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