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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 27, 2022 12:13:51 GMT
But MI5 say of the 43,000 people on a watchlist 90% of them are Islamist terror suspects. That's more than a 'niche' wouldn't you say. Or in your opinion is MI5 wrong? If so, lets see your evidence. It must be said your MO is as ever, expected. Do the maths. ! Well OK. Over the past 18 years in this non-Islamic country, Islamist extremists have carried out 6 terror attacks killing 94 men women and children and injuring a further 1,025. MI5 say that from 2017 to 2021 no fewar than 31 late stage Islamist terror attacks in this country were foiled. In 2020 MI5 said of the 43,000 extremists on a watchlist, 90% were Islamist terror suspects. What do you think of those numbers? |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 27, 2022 12:25:35 GMT
You’ve got to hand it to Steve. He’s got his art of sophistry to ‘ greased piglet’ level.👍
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Post by Steve on Dec 27, 2022 13:41:21 GMT
Do the maths! Well OK. Over the past 18 years in this non-Islamic country, Islamist extremists have carried out 6 terror attacks killing 94 men women and children and injuring a further 1,025. MI5 say that from 2017 to 2021 no fewar than 31 late stage Islamist terror attacks in this country were foiled. In 2020 MI5 said of the 43,000 extremists on a watchlist, 90% were Islamist terror suspects. What do you think of those numbers? Shows that MI5 know that 99% of muslims in the UK aren't an issue. But hey ho you'll keep persecuting them won't you. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 27, 2022 13:42:46 GMT
You’ve got to hand it to Steve. He’s got his art of sophistry to ‘ greased piglet’ level.👍 Oh look here comes Rubber Band * again with his false attacks  * also available in other names |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 27, 2022 14:07:09 GMT
Do the maths! Well OK. Over the past 18 years in this non-Islamic country, Islamist extremists have carried out 6 terror attacks killing 94 men women and children and injuring a further 1,025. MI5 say that from 2017 to 2021 no fewar than 31 late stage Islamist terror attacks in this country were foiled. In 2020 MI5 said of the 43,000 extremists on a watchlist, 90% were Islamist terror suspects. What do you think of those numbers? Shows that MI5 know that 99% of muslims in the UK aren't an issue. But hey ho you'll keep persecuting them won't you. So, contrary to anything MI5 says or previous Islamist attacks in this country, you say Muslims are being persecuted. Steve, it's people like you who are the real problem. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 27, 2022 14:16:35 GMT
Shows that MI5 know that 99% of muslims in the UK aren't an issue. But hey ho you'll keep persecuting them won't you. So, contrary to anything MI5 says or previous Islamist attacks in this country, you say Muslims are being persecuted. Steve, it's people like you who are the real problem. No I said YOU like persecuting them. And if you think me opposing you persecuting good innocent people is 'the problem' then you are so wrong. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 27, 2022 14:38:00 GMT
You’ve got to hand it to Steve. He’s got his art of sophistry to ‘ greased piglet’ level.👍 Oh look here comes Rubber Band * again with his false attacks * also available in other names Oh the irony. 😄 |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 27, 2022 14:43:00 GMT
So, contrary to anything MI5 says or previous Islamist attacks in this country, you say Muslims are being persecuted. Steve, it's people like you who are the real problem. No I said YOU like persecuting them. And if you think me opposing you persecuting good innocent people is 'the problem' then you are so wrong. Steve, if that is your name, go back to the mosque. |
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Post by Bentley on Dec 27, 2022 14:45:24 GMT
Do the maths! Well OK. Over the past 18 years in this non-Islamic country, Islamist extremists have carried out 6 terror attacks killing 94 men women and children and injuring a further 1,025. MI5 say that from 2017 to 2021 no fewar than 31 late stage Islamist terror attacks in this country were foiled. In 2020 MI5 said of the 43,000 extremists on a watchlist, 90% were Islamist terror suspects. What do you think of those numbers? Change ‘ Islamic’ to ‘ right wing ‘ and see how the usual suspects would spread the blame across ‘ right wingers’ ie not lefties . If 90% of Brexiters were extremists , I suspect they would claim that Brexit was the main cause of terrorism…nor just a few Brexiters . |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 15:13:22 GMT
I would say not enough, but the problem is that because of the daily self indoctrination by Muslims many lose their ability to rationalise their thoughts and feelings and fall victims of their --- non-thinking emotional / over-indoctrinated sensory system ---, a fact that seems to be exacerbated by arrests which appears to have the effect of spreading anger and disrespect to many more Muslims. Actions in France appear to back this up. My answer is to educate Muslims on the workings of the mind, and how indoctrination works. I.E. help Muslims to help themselves. I would contest that it's impossible to educate anyone who is brainwashed enough to believe that people who criticise Islam should be beheaded. Besides, there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that 'educating' Muslims in this country against their beliefs would ever be allowed. Labour would call it racist and Islamophobic, which would inevitably incite more aggressive demonstrations that the police would allow to continue and the government would as ever pretend not to notice. If one uses actual facts then I don't doubt that sooner or later Muslims will begin to catch on. Add that to the existence of the many Muslims who already question the faith who will be reassured of their doubts, and progress can be made over time. If you have a better idea of how to deal with the problem then please post it. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 15:16:56 GMT
I would say not enough, but the problem is that because of the daily self indoctrination by Muslims many lose their ability to rationalise their thoughts and feelings and fall victims of their --- non-thinking emotional / over-indoctrinated sensory system ---, a fact that seems to be exacerbated by arrests which appears to have the effect of spreading anger and disrespect to many more Muslims. Actions in France appear to back this up. My answer is to educate Muslims on the workings of the mind, and how indoctrination works. I.E. help Muslims to help themselves. Perhaps send them back from whence they came and don't allow any more to enter. IF that was a realistic possibility then yes, at least until they drag their religion into the 21stcen. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 15:26:09 GMT
I would contest that it's impossible to educate anyone who is brainwashed enough to believe that people who criticise Islam should be beheaded. Besides, there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that 'educating' Muslims in this country against their beliefs would ever be allowed. Labour would call it racist and Islamophobic, which would inevitably incite more aggressive demonstrations that the police would allow to continue and the government would as ever pretend not to notice.
It would be contrary to the their "Human Rights" (Article 9: Freedom of thought, belief and religion).
Another good reason to opt out of that utterly ridiculous convention.
I have already mentioned that when dealing with the Islamic religion and with many of its followers, one is all too often not dealing with rational individuals. That is the situation that exists so thinking people have to find the different ways of changing the issues. Which IMO starts with recognising that probably most Muslims are just people who want to get along with others and are already against the extremists in their ranks. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 27, 2022 15:37:51 GMT
I would contest that it's impossible to educate anyone who is brainwashed enough to believe that people who criticise Islam should be beheaded. Besides, there isn't a snowballs chance in hell that 'educating' Muslims in this country against their beliefs would ever be allowed. Labour would call it racist and Islamophobic, which would inevitably incite more aggressive demonstrations that the police would allow to continue and the government would as ever pretend not to notice. If one uses actual facts then I don't doubt that sooner or later Muslims will begin to catch on. Add that to the existence of the many Muslims who already question the faith who will be reassured of their doubts, and progress can be made over time. It may be an idea to openly accept there's a problem, and to encourage Muslim communities to accept there's a problem, rather than hushing it up and not speaking about it in case someone like Steve becomes 'offended'. According to the security services Islamist extremism is a problem in this country, sadly as with Pakistani grooming gangs, people like Steve insist it's a taboo subject that should never be mentioned, perish the thought some spineless lefty should be become offended. Before a problem can be addressed it has to be accepted that a problem exists. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 27, 2022 15:41:46 GMT
Do the maths! Well OK. Over the past 18 years in this non-Islamic country, Islamist extremists have carried out 6 terror attacks killing 94 men women and children and injuring a further 1,025. MI5 say that from 2017 to 2021 no fewar than 31 late stage Islamist terror attacks in this country were foiled. In 2020 MI5 said of the 43,000 extremists on a watchlist, 90% were Islamist terror suspects. What do you think of those numbers? Change ‘ Islamic’ to ‘ right wing ‘ and see how the usual suspects would spread the blame across ‘ right wingers’ ie not lefties . If 90% of Brexiters were extremists , I suspect they would claim that Brexit was the main cause of terrorism…nor just a few Brexiters . Not exactly a good analogy because we know that no one's suggested 90% of Brexiters are extremists AND we know from Red's own figures that 99% of muslims aren't even suspected of maybe being terrorists. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 27, 2022 15:43:29 GMT
If one uses actual facts then I don't doubt that sooner or later Muslims will begin to catch on. Add that to the existence of the many Muslims who already question the faith who will be reassured of their doubts, and progress can be made over time. It may be an idea to openly accept there's a problem, and to encourage Muslim communities to accept there's a problem, rather than hushing it up and not speaking about it in case someone like Steve becomes 'offended'. According to the security services Islamist extremism is a problem in this country, sadly as with Pakistani grooming gangs, people like Steve insist it's a taboo subject that should never be mentioned, perish the thought some spineless lefty should be become offended. Before a problem can be addressed it has to be accepted that a problem exists. FFS Red why do you think MI-5 use so many muslim informants? And do stop posting false stories about me, we all know you're doing it to divert from your lack of cogent or even honest arguments. |
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