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Post by totheleft3 on Jan 4, 2023 0:44:16 GMT
Bentley hope your not saying nurses dont deserve more money ?
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Post by Steve on Jan 4, 2023 0:48:36 GMT
Bentley hope your not saying nurses dont deserve more money ? It looks like he's saying they should work all hours of the day/go on the game to afford a decent life. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 4, 2023 0:49:07 GMT
Agency work is very well paid . Especially theatre nurses. My daughter was going to do the six months theatre nurse training after completing her degree , move to community nursing and earn the high fees for agency work in theatres. Instead she applied and got a local community nurse position before she completed the training. Now she has to suffer a nice car given to her from the NHS , paid overtime for admin work at home and occasional bank work to pay for holidays and home improvements . Poor thing. Like it or not we still have massive vacancies in the NHS and the NHS can't afford to fill them all with agency staff. And key root causes include not paying going rate base salaries, taxing GPs at a marginal rate of 83% and lying about a supposed independent pay review body that isn't. Maybe but nurses , especially good nurses with more than one skill can earn well within the NHS. Mediocre nurses will be do as well as any other mediocre worker does , either in the public sector or private . |
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Post by totheleft3 on Jan 4, 2023 0:59:05 GMT
Bentley hope your not saying nurses dont deseif linve more money ? It looks like he's saying they shenvyingork all hours of the day/go on the game to afford a decent life. Lol after the chwek of him having a go at me dor saying liniker deserved his money he said we could pay tge nurses more out Iinikers money because he earned 20× More . just pure envying by him . I guess he just wants to rob the working class person And give it to the rich pensioners.who see a 10.4 % increase in there state pension |
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Post by Steve on Jan 4, 2023 0:59:51 GMT
Like it or not we still have massive vacancies in the NHS and the NHS can't afford to fill them all with agency staff. And key root causes include not paying going rate base salaries, taxing GPs at a marginal rate of 83% and lying about a supposed independent pay review body that isn't. Maybe but nurses , especially good nurses with more than one skill can earn well within the NHS. Mediocre nurses will be do as well as any other mediocre worker does , either in the public sector or private . Seems not to be true as the government won't let the pay review body do such peer comparisons |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 4, 2023 1:12:44 GMT
You are just an arrogant and pompous fucker with delusions of superiority. If you stopped bothering me with your rancid Blairite cultishness, I'd have nothing to respond to. As you cannot equate with the Moderates in the Labour Party, that makes you a less moderate individual and makes your opinions of little interest. Especially as you are full of bad opinions about NL/Moderates without even knowing or even showing any interest in the good side of NL and the moderates. In short you have a very unbalanced view of politics, so unbalanced it seems your posts are more about your personal needy feelings than about logic. The fact is that you seklf-describe as moderates even whist doing or espousing some extremist things. Which is why I question how moderate you actually are. Especially once you consider how moderate the 2017 manifesto was, which you somehow think is extremist. And in actual fact I am well aware that New Labour did many good things too. If you want me to acknowledge that then there you are. It did too little in too many areas like housing, however, and did too much else that was bad, much of it based on a continuation of thatcherite policies to be acceptable to me though. |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 4, 2023 1:15:26 GMT
Bentley hope your not saying nurses dont deserve more money ? It looks like he's saying they should work all hours of the day/go on the game to afford a decent life. It doesn’t . You said it though . |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 4, 2023 1:17:12 GMT
Maybe but nurses , especially good nurses with more than one skill can earn well within the NHS. Mediocre nurses will be do as well as any other mediocre worker does , either in the public sector or private . Seems not to be true as the government won't let the pay review body do such peer comparisons Review bodies can’t do that . Mediocre nurses regulate themselves just as good nurses do . |
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Post by Steve on Jan 4, 2023 1:20:57 GMT
Seems not to be true as the government won't let the pay review body do such peer comparisons Review bodies can’t do that . Mediocre nurses regulate themselves just as good nurses do . Review bodies can do peer comparisons IF they are allowed to, this government told them 'you have to only recommend what we feel like paying in total' |
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Post by Bentley on Jan 4, 2023 1:27:43 GMT
Review bodies can’t do that . Mediocre nurses regulate themselves just as good nurses do . Review bodies can do peer comparisons IF they are allowed to, this government told them 'you have to only recommend what we feel like paying in total' I suppose if they spend enough time assessing each nurse and comparing , possibly with charts and computer algorithms. However the competence of everyone is apparent when left to lie. The nurses suited to wards will gravitate to those , the nurses who seek multi skills will gravitate to those and the nurses capable of specialising will gravitate towards that .There are enough opportunities for everyone if they seek it . |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 8, 2023 20:38:22 GMT
This guy is power mad - trouble is like most nut jobs he will take innocents down with him. Is commie Mick Lynch plotting the first general strike in nearly 100 years? Fears over mass coordinated action to cripple UK as RMT chief assembles 'war cabinet' of union barons... as Britain braces for another week of walkouts Union bosses are due to sit down with ministers after weeks of crippling strikes This will be followed by a meeting at the Trades Union Congress later this week The RMT, Aslef, GMB and Trades Union Congress will gather to discuss walkouts It's feared they could call a general strike if ministers don't cave to their demands www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-11611403/Fears-war-cabinet-union-barons-plotting-general-strike-nearly-100-years.html |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 10, 2023 3:08:37 GMT
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Post by Red Rackham on Jan 10, 2023 3:32:19 GMT
Currently listening to something on Times radio about this. I have no sympathy for people who cant manage on £30,000, and most nurses are on more than £30,000, some a lot more. I suppose it depends on priorities. Personally I don't consider a £150 a month Sky package as an essential, but clearly some people do. I don't consider an £80 a month mobile tracker bill as essential, but clearly some people do. I don't consider being tens of thousands of pounds in debt as essential, or thousands of pounds on credit cards as essential, but these days people think nothing of it. It's the norm and that's because people these days think it's OK to live beyond their means, to live in permanent debt is the norm. I have no sympathy. Young people these days are financially illiterate. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2023 5:40:24 GMT
Currently listening to something on Times radio about this. I have no sympathy for people who cant manage on £30,000, and most nurses are on more than £30,000, some a lot more. I suppose it depends on priorities. Personally I don't consider a £150 a month Sky package as an essential, but clearly some people do. I don't consider an £80 a month mobile tracker bill as essential, but clearly some people do. I don't consider being tens of thousands of pounds in debt as essential, or thousands of pounds on credit cards as essential, but these days people think nothing of it. It's the norm and that's because people these days think it's OK to live beyond their means, to live in permanent debt is the norm. I have no sympathy. Young people these days are financially illiterate. Whether or not someone can manage on 30k plus before tax very much depends on their circumstances, eg how extortionate their rent is, or how much the mortgage has gone up by, whether there are other wage earners in the household or not and how many dependent children are present. It could be quite a struggle for some people to live on that. But the question is less one of whether someone can manage on that and more whether it is the right level of pay for the job. And considering the skills and qualifications necessary, the fact that nurses have experienced de facto pay cuts year on year for 12 years, and that pay is now insufficient to attract and retain sufficient staff who with their skills can earn much more outside the NHS at home or abroad, then clearly pay is now too low for the job. |
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Post by Deleted on Jan 10, 2023 8:32:09 GMT
It looks like he's saying they shenvyingork all hours of the day/go on the game to afford a decent life. Lol after the chwek of him having a go at me dor saying liniker deserved his money he said we could pay tge nurses more out Iinikers money because he earned 20× More . just pure envying by him . I guess he just wants to rob the working class person And give it to the rich pensioners.who see a 10.4 % increase in there state pension Indeed. The affluent classes are still getting their inflation busting rises. There is no such thing as a struggling CEO or media tycoon. Welfare claimants are getting increases in line with inflation, as are pensioners. It seems the only ones getting ever poorer are us working mugs who are doing all the work and paying all the taxes to fund every other bugger. No wonder so many with the power to do so are resorting to strikes. Am pretty sure that if nurses were given the same percentage increase as pensioners, they'd settle and wouldn't be striking. |
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