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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 22, 2022 19:36:56 GMT
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 22, 2022 20:26:10 GMT
The governments of the last decade. Austerity could never last forever, eventually the people will have had enough. Cost of living is the final straw for many.
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Post by sandypine on Dec 22, 2022 20:33:05 GMT
The governments of the last decade. Austerity could never last forever, eventually the people will have had enough. Cost of living is the final straw for many. I agree although I would also extend it out to cover the NewLabour period. We have been heading here for 20 years and the Tories are just the final instalment as they are trying too hard to be all things to all people instead of being Tory and as a consequence have completed the destruction started under Blair. |
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Post by steppenwolf on Dec 23, 2022 7:10:51 GMT
It's not as simple as govt or unions. This is all about bringing down the government which began with the concerted plan to remove Boris Johnson - which involved many groups including the BBC et al. There are two main forces now who want to bring down the govt - the Labour party and the Remainers (who are spread over many parties, including many in the Conservative party). They want the govt out ASAP because they're not confident that Labour's majority will last until early 2025 (which is about as late as the Tories can leave the GE). This is not about money. It's about taking the UK back into the EU.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 23, 2022 7:58:37 GMT
It's not as simple as govt or unions. This is all about bringing down the government which began with the concerted plan to remove Boris Johnson - which involved many groups including the BBC et al. There are two main forces now who want to bring down the govt - the Labour party and the Remainers (who are spread over many parties, including many in the Conservative party). They want the govt out ASAP because they're not confident that Labour's majority will last until early 2025 (which is about as late as the Tories can leave the GE). This is not about money. It's about taking the UK back into the EU. Basically the same old Westminster party scenario, making sure you never get what you vote for and using a minority shouting the loudest to make it so. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 23, 2022 8:07:22 GMT
I blame the government - 2 decades of money printing that debased the currency and implementing an energy policy that made us vulnerable to massive price swings... who else would you blame?
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 23, 2022 8:51:04 GMT
Both
Ok I’ll expand that.
It’s clear that the unions are now engaged in the sort of actions in collaboration that thatcher declared should be made illegal.
On the other side it is also clear the government are quite deliberately refusing to do anything about the pay and conditions of any except the merchant bankers to whom most will turn for continued income streams after they are ejected from Westminster in late 2024
The current economic conditions have been created by a set of policies operated by parties in power since the 1980s.
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Post by Toreador on Dec 23, 2022 8:54:32 GMT
I blame the government - 2 decades of money printing that debased the currency and implementing an energy policy that made us vulnerable to massive price swings... who else would you blame? Governments are always to blame, they are charged with running countries, no good them trying to blame others. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 23, 2022 10:19:43 GMT
It’s clear that the unions are now engaged in the sort of actions in collaboration that thatcher declared should be made illegal. So you think that the trigger for these strikes is a concoction of the unions and not the cost of living crisis? |
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 23, 2022 10:21:00 GMT
The Tories over the last 12 years
Labour from up to 12 years ago
Russia
Covid
Resulting inflation
Brexit leavers
Brexit remainers
The Bank of England
Boris pretending to be PM
Elon Musk
BLM
The Woke
Climate activists
Climate deniers
Rising population
Migration
Not enough immigration
France
The EU
China
The destruction of the Brazilian rainforest
God
God deniers
Mark Francois
Liz Truss and Quasi Counting
Tory party members, sherry and blue rinse
Trades Unions
Private enterprise
Nationalised industry
The men and women from the ministries
Not Rishi Sunak, PM in name only.
Not a whisper from him.
A true advent calendar of choice. Chocs may be in short supply.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 23, 2022 10:50:25 GMT
Q. Who is to blame for the strikes?
Before you answer the question, ask yourself a simple question: Did the government call rail workers, NHS, Border Force, Ambulance workers, Driving instructors, Postal workers out on strike, or was it militant left wing trade union barons?
Now think about the question again. That's right...
A. Trade Unions.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 23, 2022 11:22:28 GMT
I wouldnt criticise any working man who is demanding a pay increase to match inflation - after all the Government handed those sitting at home on welfare a 10% rise - ffs it even gave the illegals coming over on rubber boats a 10% pay increase..
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 23, 2022 11:28:56 GMT
I wouldnt criticise any working man who is demanding a pay increase to match inflation - after all the Government handed those sitting at home on welfare a 10% rise - ffs it even gave the illegals coming over on rubber boats a 10% pay increase.. Well yes, but because the government wrongly gave those sitting at home on welfare a 10% rise, and illegals a 10% rise, doesn't mean everyone everyone on strike should also recieve a 10% pay rise. Apart from anything else it's unaffordable. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Dec 23, 2022 11:57:43 GMT
It’s clear that the unions are now engaged in the sort of actions in collaboration that thatcher declared should be made illegal. So you think that the trigger for these strikes is a concoction of the unions and not the cost of living crisis? No. It’s amazing how people enjoy fabricating what is not said from what has been. I thought I made it pretty clear I feel governments of both colours have contributed to the current economic mess in several ways, over literally generations, but I have also picked up remarks from the union side that clearly show an intent to return to the sort of measures thatcher wanted made illegal if not actually made illegal. Open your ears and listen to the language of the ‘officials’ running the show. As I have also made clear on here, my only experience of unions is when they stole money from me when my pay was not fully paid one week owing to my then employers error, and half of the subsequent pay packet was stolen by the bakers union who demanded their full weekly fee and Labour Party donation be stolen from the pay correction issued to me the following week. My complaints to my employer, the union and my MP who was then the fucking Prime Minister James Fucking Callaghan all came to nothing and I couldn’t afford a small claims court fee far more than the amount stolen, so I was forced to allow the mugging to stand, but it left me with a very real impression of what unions were really about in this country. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 23, 2022 12:21:09 GMT
I need a 'both' option and a 'someone else' option Nurses, Ambulance, border control and probably Royal Mail strikes are the government's fault. Rail strikes: the unions Baggage Handlers: the private companies The rest (there's so many, see below) I'm not sure as haven't looked in detail  |
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