roots
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Post by roots on Jan 2, 2023 23:18:00 GMT
[/quote]We never used to need food banks in this country. They first appeared under Blair and multiplied like rabbits under the Tories.
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We never used to need mobile phones before Blair, or laptop's, broadband payments, sky, Netflix, disney subscriptions. Both parent (now quite often just one) needing a car on finance to keep up with the Jones'.
Not to mention the plethora of entertainment necessities that must be provided for their kiddies.
The world is in debt, those who were sucked in need food banks.
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Post by see2 on Jan 3, 2023 0:27:54 GMT
1. What a silly comment, that you insist on using your limited logic to distort my comments makes you a half educated fool. As usual you ignore the obvious points made and dig deep into your pale red bias in order to make up a nonsense reply. Aka "Tory Blur" all the kids in the junior school will be laughing with you. As a pale Red polishing his pale hammer a sickle the best you can come up with is to accuse so called "Blairites", (aka the lie that they are Thatcher/Tory types) as dishonest liars. Means that you use a lie in an attempt to accuse me of being a liar  You really are a joke poster, thanks for the laugh. You say such things about me then when I point out the ridiculousness of your statements you accuse me of distorting your words. You are a waste of my time. At first you were funny, then simply annoying. Now you are just boring me, Of course I will never ever vote for a party with people like you in it. Thanks for confirming the correctness of my decision never to vote Labour. If you ever bother to read up on, i.e. educate yourself on the good done by New Labour, you will understand just what an extremely ill-informed poster you are, especially given the mess they inherited in 1997. Now be a good boy and don't bother me again. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 3, 2023 0:51:11 GMT
You say such things about me then when I point out the ridiculousness of your statements you accuse me of distorting your words. You are a waste of my time. At first you were funny, then simply annoying. Now you are just boring me, Of course I will never ever vote for a party with people like you in it. Thanks for confirming the correctness of my decision never to vote Labour. If you ever bother to read up on, i.e. educate yourself on the good done by New Labour, you will understand just what an extremely ill-informed poster you are, especially given the mess they inherited in 1997. Now be a good boy and don't bother me again. The only good those arseholes have ever done is to make themselves unelectable. And is good to see the tradition is still kept alive today my starmer the tool. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 3, 2023 5:09:29 GMT
I think charities such as the Sally Army were latter day foodbanks . I wouldn’t like people of today be misled into thinking everyone was doing fine during the 60s, 70s and 80s. ....and the workhouse. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 3, 2023 5:14:23 GMT
You say such things about me then when I point out the ridiculousness of your statements you accuse me of distorting your words. You are a waste of my time. At first you were funny, then simply annoying. Now you are just boring me, Of course I will never ever vote for a party with people like you in it. Thanks for confirming the correctness of my decision never to vote Labour. If you ever bother to read up on, i.e. educate yourself on the good done by New Labour, you will understand just what an extremely ill-informed poster you are, especially given the mess they inherited in 1997. Now be a good boy and don't bother me again. They inherited an improving situation that they managed to fuck up. That's why Blair said he would follow Tory policies as an interim measure. There is no charge for this service |
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Post by Steve on Jan 3, 2023 10:36:45 GMT
Obviously there is widespread agreement that Nurses should be paid more - but exactly how much more? The average salary package for a Nurse in the NHS is worth £50k in England (£60k in London) - so what sort of increase should nurses get?. They have already rejected 7.5% and are asking for 19% - is that a fair increase? Link please to back that. Even the government only say their average salary is £37k  |
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Post by see2 on Jan 3, 2023 10:45:34 GMT
If you ever bother to read up on, i.e. educate yourself on the good done by New Labour, you will understand just what an extremely ill-informed poster you are, especially given the mess they inherited in 1997. Now be a good boy and don't bother me again. The only good those arseholes have ever done is to make themselves unelectable. And is good to see the tradition is still kept alive today my starmer the tool. New Labour kept the Tories out of office for the longest period in their history. If you don't think that Tory propaganda, with its agenda of denigrating and insulting the opposition which has always been the Tories strongest weapon against any opposition, (A bit like yourself) isn't the major cause of the destruction of NL, then you stopped thinking a long time ago. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 3, 2023 11:01:19 GMT
The only good those arseholes have ever done is to make themselves unelectable. And is good to see the tradition is still kept alive today my starmer the tool. If you don't think that Tory propaganda, with its agenda of denigrating and insulting the opposition which has always been the Tories strongest weapon against any opposition, (A bit like yourself) isn't the major cause of the destruction of NL, then you stopped thinking a long time ago. And boy didn't we pay the price. I used to vote labour until that tosser blair infested no 10....Never again |
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Post by see2 on Jan 3, 2023 11:23:39 GMT
If you ever bother to read up on, i.e. educate yourself on the good done by New Labour, you will understand just what an extremely ill-informed poster you are, especially given the mess they inherited in 1997. Now be a good boy and don't bother me again. They inherited an improving situation that they managed to fuck up. That's why Blair said he would follow Tory policies as an interim measure. There is no charge for this service "Improving" Marginally, maybe. In 1997 NL amongst other things, inherited high unemployment which was higher than when Mrs. Thatcher came to office nearly 20 years previously. State education was the pits for the majority thanks to Thatcher's Grant Maintained approach to education which starved Local Education Authorities of funds. The traditional training of apprentices was all but destroyed by the introduction of Self-Employed status. Very large waiting lists for Hospital appointments and for non-urgent but painfully needed, operations. In short the Tories had made some improvement leaving the deferred costs for the next government. PS. Blair's continuation of Tory policies was just the breathing space for the New Labour approach. No government knows the full picture of the finances until they are in office. |
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Post by see2 on Jan 3, 2023 11:29:01 GMT
New Labour kept the Tories out of office for the longest period in their history. If you don't think that Tory propaganda, with its agenda of denigrating and insulting the opposition which has always been the Tories strongest weapon against any opposition, (A bit like yourself) isn't the major cause of the destruction of NL, then you stopped thinking a long time ago. And boy didn't we pay the price. I used to vote labour until that tosser blair infested no 10....Never again You are a victim of Tory propaganda. The Tories did a good job on NL didn't they. |
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Post by Toreador on Jan 3, 2023 11:43:00 GMT
They inherited an improving situation that they managed to fuck up. That's why Blair said he would follow Tory policies as an interim measure. There is no charge for this service "Improving" Marginally, maybe. In 1997 NL amongst other things, inherited high unemployment which was higher than when Mrs. Thatcher came to office nearly 20 years previously. State education was the pits for the majority thanks to Thatcher's Grant Maintained approach to education which starved Local Education Authorities of funds. The traditional training of apprentices was all but destroyed by the introduction of Self-Employed status. Very large waiting lists for Hospital appointments and for non-urgent but painfully needed, operations. In short the Tories had made some improvement leaving the deferred costs for the next government. PS. Blair's continuation of Tory policies was just the breathing space for the New Labour approach. No government knows the full picture of the finances until they are in office. If you want to talk about mistakes, look no further than comprehensive schools brought in by Harold Wilson and continued by the Tory education minister, Margaret Thatcher; she presided over more conversions than her predecessor but that was because so many schools had set comprehensive into motion. Many current day problems stem from Wilson's education policy. Can you tell me precisely when Blair ditched the Tory finance policy....bet you can't?  |
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Post by see2 on Jan 3, 2023 11:54:17 GMT
"Improving" Marginally, maybe. In 1997 NL amongst other things, inherited high unemployment which was higher than when Mrs. Thatcher came to office nearly 20 years previously. State education was the pits for the majority thanks to Thatcher's Grant Maintained approach to education which starved Local Education Authorities of funds. The traditional training of apprentices was all but destroyed by the introduction of Self-Employed status. Very large waiting lists for Hospital appointments and for non-urgent but painfully needed, operations. In short the Tories had made some improvement leaving the deferred costs for the next government. PS. Blair's continuation of Tory policies was just the breathing space for the New Labour approach. No government knows the full picture of the finances until they are in office. If you want to talk about mistakes, look no further than comprehensive schools brought in by Harold Wilson and continued by the Tory education minister, Margaret Thatcher; she presided over more conversions than her predecessor but that was because so many schools had set comprehensive into motion. Many current day problems stem from Wilson's education policy. Can you tell me precisely when Blair ditched the Tory finance policy....bet you can't? If you look at Brown's speech to the TUC in 2000, you will get a very clear picture of the changes away from Tory policies made by NL. I have taken your bet on, I suggest you drop some silver into the next charity box you see Comprehensives are a debate in their own right. The 11+ was an unmitigated disaster something needed to be done. |
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Post by jonksy on Jan 3, 2023 12:15:42 GMT
And boy didn't we pay the price. I used to vote labour until that tosser blair infested no 10....Never again You are a victim of your own stance.
Yes they did they voted their sorry arses out with the largest defeat in UK polit history.
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Post by see2 on Jan 3, 2023 12:18:27 GMT
Blair in 2001/03' "When I became Chancellor in 1997 my first act was to make the Bank of England independent. We acted immediately on coming to office because, with new monetary and then fiscal rules, we wanted to entrench a new culture of economic stability not seen in Britain for decades. And following the election in 2001, our first act of economic policy was to make the competition authorities fully independent of political interference. We acted then — and it is time to go further now — because the priority for our second term and the years ahead is to build from the foundation of economic stability a new culture of enterprise which helps open up new markets, breaks from the old corporatism of the past and opens opportunities for enterprise to all. A British enterprise culture is vital because for fifty years since the war there was no consensus on business and enterprise. The left has been seen as for fairness at the cost of enterprise, the right for enterprise at the cost of fairness.www.ukpol.co.uk/gordon-brown-2003-speech-at-city-growth-strategies-forum/ |
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Post by see2 on Jan 3, 2023 12:24:57 GMT
You are a victim of Tory propaganda. The Tories did a good job on NL didn't they. You are a victim of your own stance.
Yes they did they voted their sorry arses out with the largest defeat in UK polit history.
As I posted earlier, Tory propaganda using denigration and insults has always been the Tories most powerful weapon. |
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