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Post by sheepy on Dec 27, 2022 9:20:17 GMT
Oh FFS are you serious? You reckon the NHS is on it's knees because of Brexit! Really? I posted Brexit has played a part. Did you? I reckon when you realised the facts said something different, you moved the goalposts. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 27, 2022 9:27:05 GMT
Because we haven't got enough and cannot recruit them. 🙄 Or as a nurse was saying herself, as I happen to read what others say when in real world scenarios, the Westminster party have made it harder by cost cutting exercises. Maybe even through constant privatisation. As the global corporations feel they don't get a big enough cut of government funds even. So a choice. Take nurses from the EU or pay more tax to train our own. That should have been made clear before the Brexit vote. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 27, 2022 9:29:47 GMT
The NHS is certainly not perfect, not helped by either Brexit or the handling of the NHS by the government. Oh FFS are you serious? You reckon the NHS is on it's knees because of Brexit! Really? So by your reasoning the NHS would be in rude health if we were still in the EU? Steve get in the bin. The NHS is on it's knees because of over demand, too many people are using it who have never paid one thin penny in tax or NI. It's run by managers rather than doctors, and the government are terrified to sort it out because Labour have weaponised it. A £20Bn a year cut in tax revenue probably isn't helping. And that's just the bit attributed to Brexit. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 27, 2022 9:33:20 GMT
Oh FFS are you serious? You reckon the NHS is on it's knees because of Brexit! Really? So by your reasoning the NHS would be in rude health if we were still in the EU? Steve get in the bin. The NHS is on it's knees because of over demand, too many people are using it who have never paid one thin penny in tax or NI. It's run by managers rather than doctors, and the government are terrified to sort it out because Labour have weaponised it. A £20Bn a year cut in tax revenue probably isn't helping. And that's just the bit attributed to Brexit. Which is a drop in the ocean compared with the amount lost to fraud. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 27, 2022 9:40:00 GMT
Or as a nurse was saying herself, as I happen to read what others say when in real world scenarios, the Westminster party have made it harder by cost cutting exercises. Maybe even through constant privatisation. As the global corporations feel they don't get a big enough cut of government funds even. So a choice. Take nurses from the EU or pay more tax to train our own. That should have been made clear before the Brexit vote. It does seem a little unfair that the majority who voted for Brexit have been left to the mercy of those armed with lies and untruths on behalf of the EU and dodgy politics. |
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Post by jaydee on Dec 27, 2022 10:30:17 GMT
Ah. Johnsky Clarkson. Tell me something since the righties took power. How much do you reckon they have wasted. We could start with billions on PPE and work back. It is a disaster. Nows on your rant about agency fees. Who's fault is that. The state of the NHS is exactly the same as nurses going on strike. But in =this case on a daily basis. And according to stats. The NHS has something like 2% of managers. While business overall is in the region of 7%. Could you explain why you ranted what you ranted. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 27, 2022 11:00:20 GMT
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Post by sheepy on Dec 27, 2022 11:04:35 GMT
Which when the facts were actually pointed out he decided Brexit was only partially responsible, the fact being, somebody who actually knows said fact first hand pointed it out. Which was a bit of a blow wasn't it? Brexit has feck all to do with it. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 27, 2022 11:09:02 GMT
He consistently said Brexit was only part of the problem. You were wrong and you are wrong. You can't lose that many NHS staff thanks to Brexit and not have that be a big part of the problem.
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Post by sheepy on Dec 27, 2022 11:10:49 GMT
He consistently said Brexit was only part of the problem. You were wrong and you are wrong. You can't lose that many NHS staff thanks to Brexit and not have that be a big part of the problem. The problem was set long before Brexit, all I heard was excuses from the usual suspects. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 27, 2022 11:24:44 GMT
Or as a nurse was saying herself, as I happen to read what others say when in real world scenarios, the Westminster party have made it harder by cost cutting exercises. Maybe even through constant privatisation. As the global corporations feel they don't get a big enough cut of government funds even. So a choice. Take nurses from the EU or pay more tax to train our own. That should have been made clear before the Brexit vote. Why is that the choice? - if we want to import Nurses why does it have to be from the EU, what is the matter with importing them from other countries around the globe? The idea that we need to be in the EU to import workers is rather daft considering that we are importing more now we are out than we ever did when in the EU. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 27, 2022 11:38:23 GMT
So a choice. Take nurses from the EU or pay more tax to train our own. That should have been made clear before the Brexit vote. Why is that the choice? - if we want to import Nurses why does it have to be from the EU, what is the matter with importing them from other countries around the globe? The idea that we need to be in the EU to import workers is rather daft considering that we are importing more now we are out than we ever did when in the EU. The issue os less about where we import them from but where we lost them from And the EU position made recruiting culturally convergent, excellent English speaking well qualified medical and care workers easy. But yes we should be recruiting from the UK and that means paying the going rate. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 27, 2022 13:45:33 GMT
Why is that the choice? - if we want to import Nurses why does it have to be from the EU, what is the matter with importing them from other countries around the globe? The idea that we need to be in the EU to import workers is rather daft considering that we are importing more now we are out than we ever did when in the EU. The issue os less about where we import them from but where we lost them from And the EU position made recruiting culturally convergent, excellent English speaking well qualified medical and care workers easy. But yes we should be recruiting from the UK and that means paying the going rate.
They are being paid above the going rate. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 27, 2022 13:49:57 GMT
The issue os less about where we import them from but where we lost them from And the EU position made recruiting culturally convergent, excellent English speaking well qualified medical and care workers easy. But yes we should be recruiting from the UK and that means paying the going rate.
They are being paid above the going rate. They are? How do you figure that? Seeing as how we know the supposed independent pay body wasn't independent and was instructed by the government not to pay going rates. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 27, 2022 14:08:02 GMT
They are being paid above the going rate. Seeing as how we know the supposed independent pay body wasn't independent and was instructed by the government not to pay going rates. Maybe you should do the maths. And lets not forget all the perks they receive. |
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