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Post by Steve on Dec 27, 2022 14:13:29 GMT
They are? How do you figure that? Seeing as how we know the supposed independent pay body wasn't independent and was instructed by the government not to pay going rates. Maybe you should do the maths. And lets not forget all the perks they receive. So you can't actually back your assertion then Those of that know there are so many nursing vacancies in the NHS know it's because the government is determined to pay below a fair market rate. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 14:29:20 GMT
I posted Brexit has played a part. Did you? I reckon when you realised the facts said something different, you moved the goalposts. I have never at any time posted that Brexit is to blame for the problems in the NHS. It seems that you still can't help making a fool of yourself. Good for another chuckle though  |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 27, 2022 14:31:27 GMT
Did you? I reckon when you realised the facts said something different, you moved the goalposts. I have never at any time posted that Brexit is to blame for the problems in the NHS. It seems that you still can't help making a fool of yourself. Good for another chuckle though You tried to make into a blame Brexit episode, but you were caught with your pants down. Now you and every other fantasist has to backtrack. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 27, 2022 16:49:54 GMT
A £20Bn a year cut in tax revenue probably isn't helping. And that's just the bit attributed to Brexit. Which is a drop in the ocean compared with the amount lost to fraud. And has fraud stopped then? |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 27, 2022 17:04:11 GMT
Which is a drop in the ocean compared with the amount lost to fraud. And has fraud stopped then? Nope but none of them can complain and cry in their champagne when they get punished for it, either. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 27, 2022 17:04:22 GMT
So a choice. Take nurses from the EU or pay more tax to train our own. That should have been made clear before the Brexit vote. It does seem a little unfair that the majority who voted for Brexit have been left to the mercy of those armed with lies and untruths on behalf of the EU and dodgy politics. It does seem unlikely that those wishing to remain in the EU could alter the figures without being found out. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 27, 2022 17:08:46 GMT
So a choice. Take nurses from the EU or pay more tax to train our own. That should have been made clear before the Brexit vote. Why is that the choice? - if we want to import Nurses why does it have to be from the EU, what is the matter with importing them from other countries around the globe? The idea that we need to be in the EU to import workers is rather daft considering that we are importing more now we are out than we ever did when in the EU. Well you can answer that one as you posed it. I would suggest that immigration from around the globe is quite unpopular amongst our Brexit voters, wait a minute while I just ask Mr Rackham. But reality is they don't want o come here as they get better pay and conditions in the good old EU. The one we left so we could have a low wage low tax economy. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 27, 2022 17:11:06 GMT
And has fraud stopped then? Nope but none of them can complain and cry in their champagne when they get punished for it, either. So the loss of tax revenue due to Brexit is on top of the existing fraud. In what way does that help or make any difference? |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 27, 2022 17:17:13 GMT
Nope but none of them can complain and cry in their champagne when they get punished for it, either. So the loss of tax revenue due to Brexit is on top of the existing fraud. In what way does that help or make any difference? The tax loss is purely something for leavers to get all agitated about, it is not a drop in the ocean compared with fraud, plus if they hadn't mismanaged Brexit so badly there probably wouldn't even be a tax loss for the cult to cry about. But cry you are gonna, so get over it and put your big boy pants on. |
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Post by zanygame on Dec 27, 2022 17:26:20 GMT
So the loss of tax revenue due to Brexit is on top of the existing fraud. In what way does that help or make any difference? The tax loss is purely something for leavers to get all agitated about, it is not a drop in the ocean compared with fraud, plus if they hadn't mismanaged Brexit so badly there probably wouldn't even be a tax loss for the cult to cry about. But cry you are gonna, so get over it and put your big boy pants on. The tax fraud (whatever you think that is) was here before Brexit and after Brexit and makes no difference to the £20Bn. And who handled Brexit so badly and what would you have done better? Bugger all that's what. All you can do is complain its everybody else's fault. Truth is none of the Brexit promises were true and more and more people are seeing through it. But do tell how would you get a better trade deal with the United States or the EU or China. How would you stop immigration without increasing taxes or cutting services. You were duped and you're thrashing about trying to hide it by blaming Remainers. You are a member of a shrinking minority being crushed under the weight of evidence that Brexit is a disaster. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 27, 2022 17:27:40 GMT
The tax loss is purely something for leavers to get all agitated about, it is not a drop in the ocean compared with fraud, plus if they hadn't mismanaged Brexit so badly there probably wouldn't even be a tax loss for the cult to cry about. But cry you are gonna, so get over it and put your big boy pants on. The tax fraud (whatever you think that is) was here before Brexit and after Brexit and makes no difference to the £20Bn. And who handled Brexit so badly and what would you have done better? Bugger all that's what. All you can do is complain its everybody else's fault. Truth is none of the Brexit promises were true and more and more people are seeing through it. But do tell how would you get a better trade deal with the United States or the EU or China. How would you stop immigration without increasing taxes or cutting services. You were duped and you're thrashing about trying to hide it by blaming Remainers. You are a member of a shrinking minority being crushed under the weight of evidence that Brexit is a disaster. So you keep saying crybaby, where are these shrinking violets, they certainly ain't voting for the Westminster party. |
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Post by jaydee on Dec 27, 2022 18:18:11 GMT
The issue os less about where we import them from but where we lost them from And the EU position made recruiting culturally convergent, excellent English speaking well qualified medical and care workers easy. But yes we should be recruiting from the UK and that means paying the going rate.
They are being paid above the going rate. Ah Jonsky Clarkson. The man who boasts he has a working brain cell. How are nurses being paid above the going rate. You are long on statements, very short on answers. Would you care to explain why nurses have to use food banks. The average pay of an NHS nurse has fallen in real terms by 8% since 2010. Nurses were paid £35,680 on average in the year to April 2022, equating to a reduction of more than £3,000 from a decade earlier after adjusting for inflation. Could you ask your one working brain cell how that translates to you they are being paid above the rate. Is this BNP/EDL/UKIP mathematics. www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/10/nurses-among-rising-numbers-of-workers-using-food-banks-research-shows www.theguardian.com/society/2022/nov/09/real-terms-fall-in-uk-nurses-pay-is-part-of-wider-trend |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 27, 2022 18:36:13 GMT
Why is that the choice? - if we want to import Nurses why does it have to be from the EU, what is the matter with importing them from other countries around the globe? The idea that we need to be in the EU to import workers is rather daft considering that we are importing more now we are out than we ever did when in the EU. Well you can answer that one as you posed it. I would suggest that immigration from around the globe is quite unpopular amongst our Brexit voters, wait a minute while I just ask Mr Rackham.
But reality is they don't want o come here as they get better pay and conditions in the good old EU. The one we left so we could have a low wage low tax economy. Oh I dont know - it seems to be you that is most exercised by it. I'm quite relaxed about importing Nurses from the Philippines rather than Poland. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 27, 2022 20:38:35 GMT
Well you can answer that one as you posed it. I would suggest that immigration from around the globe is quite unpopular amongst our Brexit voters, wait a minute while I just ask Mr Rackham.
But reality is they don't want o come here as they get better pay and conditions in the good old EU. The one we left so we could have a low wage low tax economy. Oh I dont know - it seems to be you that is most exercised by it. I'm quite relaxed about importing Nurses from the Philippines rather than Poland. I'm not really bothered about where people are from, but having reciprocal mutual recognition of qualifications makes life easier. |
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Post by jonksy on Dec 27, 2022 21:09:17 GMT
Maybe you should do the maths. And lets not forget all the perks they receive. Those of that know there are so many nursing vacancies in the NHS know it's because the government is determined to pay below a fair market rate. . And as for vacancies that has nothing to do with government but all to do with the lefty mismanagement. Funny enough there isn't any vacancies for managers the opposite is the truth. |
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