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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 19, 2022 10:46:04 GMT
The Home Office has won a legal challenge against its policy to remove asylum seekers to Rwanda. The decision has just been announced by judges in the High Court in London.
Standby for the appeals: Appeals Court > Supremem Court > European Court of Human Rights.
Nobody's going to be going to Rwanda for quite a while, if ever.
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Post by Steve on Dec 19, 2022 11:22:11 GMT
Surprised given the specifics of that country. Interesting that the court ruled the attempted removal of that first 8 was not legal
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 19, 2022 11:34:04 GMT
Interestingly the judges chastise the PCS Union and the three charities involved for giving themselves the status of 'claimant' in these cases. Per their worships, none of these organisations have any standing in this matter and, in not too many words, need to butt out. This is an interesting ruling that other 'migrants rights' groups will need to take on board before leaping feet-first into litigation in the future.
Hopefully the government will press for costs. There were more than 30 barristers including nine KCs involved in this nice little earner.
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Post by Steve on Dec 19, 2022 11:44:16 GMT
Interestingly the judges chastise the PCS Union and the three charities involved for giving themselves the status of 'claimant' in these cases. Per their worships, none of these organisations have any standing in this matter and, in not too many words, need to butt out. This is an interesting ruling that other 'migrants rights' groups will need to take on board before leaping feet-first into litigation in the future. Hopefully the government will press for costs. There were more than 30 barristers including nine KCs involved in this nice little earner. This whole issue of 'standing' needs a thread of its own. What the government and some judges are trying to push is that it's OK for the government to break the law because the only people they will allow to challenge them in court are the very people without the resources to do so. Needs to go to the Supreme Court.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 19, 2022 11:53:57 GMT
The ruling includes comments on the PCS Union's participation in the case which was partly based on a claim that being required to implement the Rwanda policy would be detrimental to the 'well-being' of some of its members.
The ruling notes that it is not unusual for employees to be in disagreement with the policies of their employees but that if the PCSU's claim were allowed to stand that would give carte blanche for every employee in the country to take their employer to court whenever it did something they disagree with even though they were not affected personally.
The strong, unwritten message is 'If you don't like it, get on your bike'.
Everyone should read the Judgment - it contains a remarkable amount of common sense.
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Post by bancroft on Dec 19, 2022 12:01:57 GMT
If it goes to the European caught the BRINO situation will arise again and the question of when are we going to Brexit we are still in never never land.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 19, 2022 12:04:24 GMT
It gets better. The court strikes a blow against 'mission creep' in interpretations of the Refugee Convention (para 121 in the Judgment):
...Mr Drabble KC [who was representing two of the aslyum seekers threatened with deportation] submitted that the refugee convention imposes an obligation on contracting states to determine all asylum claims made, on their merits. We disagree. There is no such obligation on the face of the convention. The obligation that is imposed is the one at article 33, not to expel or return a refugee to a place where his life or freedom would be threatened by reason of any of the characteristics that the convention protects. Mr Drabble’s submission was that an obligation to determine asylum claims would be consistent with the spirit and purpose of the convention and could therefore reasonably be assumed. Again, we disagree. Obligations in international treaties are formulated with considerable care. They reflect balances struck following detailed negotiations between states parties. An obligation to determine every asylum claim on its merits would be a significant addition to the refugee convention. There is no reason to infer the existence of an obligation of that order; to do so would go well beyond the limits of any notion of judicial construction of an international agreement; and the protection that is necessary if the purpose of the convention is to be met, is provided by article 33.
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Post by Steve on Dec 19, 2022 12:04:32 GMT
. . . Everyone should read the Judgment - it contains a remarkable amount of common sense. Well a link to that judgement would help please
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 19, 2022 12:06:40 GMT
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Post by Steve on Dec 19, 2022 12:19:06 GMT
Thanks, I may be a while
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Post by dappy on Dec 19, 2022 12:23:26 GMT
As an aside to this specific case, where it is painfully obvious that the outcome of a case will be appealed to the highest court available by whichever side loses, wouldn’t it be quicker and cheaper to go straight there rather than go through these intermediate stages.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 19, 2022 12:36:03 GMT
Dan, I've deleted the thread I started in error, apologies. You may want to visit that thread to delete your post. It may look a bit odd.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 19, 2022 13:01:23 GMT
That's what Captain Oats said, and look what happened to him.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 19, 2022 13:04:53 GMT
The Home Office has won a legal challenge against its policy to remove asylum seekers to Rwanda. The decision has just been announced by judges in the High Court in London.
Inevitably. But this ruling strengthens the governments hand, and is a clear move in the right direction.
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Post by Steve on Dec 19, 2022 17:06:23 GMT
That's what Captain Oats said, and look what happened to him.
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