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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 13, 2022 15:13:41 GMT
Main points:
- New legislation to disallow illegal entrants from the asylum system (I thought this already existed)
- Albanians to be fast-track deported (starting when?)
- Modern slavery rules to tightened (next year)
- Channel operational command to be reorganised (again)
- Rwanda option to be re-opened (don't know when)
- Asylum seekers to be housed in eg holidays camps, halls of residence etc not hotels
- Backlog of asylum claims (currently 140,000+) to be reduced to zero by end 2023
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 13, 2022 15:21:40 GMT
They'd all love to shout Racist Sunak lol
Having a Hindu Prime minister, the first in UK history has really upset the racist baiter's
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2022 15:52:50 GMT
I don't believe a word of it and see no reason why I should. They basically say the same thing everytime because the so-called opposition won't do a thing to address any of the problems.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 13, 2022 16:21:30 GMT
The Tories make an awful lot of announcements about how they are going to start controlling Asylum - and yet here we are after 12 years of Tory rule no further forward. The Tories are like Scottish Nationalists - they keep talking about doing something...  |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 13, 2022 16:25:07 GMT
I think £7 million pound a day has been a Wake up call, not just to the Tories but to everyone.
I think we might actually see some action at last, but I suspect it will be at a snails pace.
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Post by dappy on Dec 13, 2022 16:36:06 GMT
I see some potential sensible moves in here and some stupid moves.
It is utterly baffling why such immense delays in processing asylum claims have been allowed to build up over the last few years of Tory government. The are bad for the country and bad for the claimant. So all should welcome action to speed this up. (it seems though devil is in the detail and the PM is not really promising what he claims to be)
I see no problem with using redundant holiday parks and student halls as long as they remain in acceptable condition and have not deteriorated too far while empty. I am a little baffled though as to how many ex holiday parks there are and ex student blocks there are given that student accommodation seems at a premium at the moment. Why are these buildings currently unused? Do they really exist?
If Albania is a problem and other European countries(eg Germany) have found better solutions, I see no problem in copying them.
I cant accept the UK pulling up the drawbridge and banning asylum claims from anywhere except its own political causes (eg Hong Kong and Ukraine). You can't fairly ban irregular arrivals and deny any means of regular arrivals to claim asylum. That is I suspect illegal and feels like posturing for the tabloids and the UKIP vote. Rwanda is another hugely expensive tabloid gimmick
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 13, 2022 16:39:48 GMT
First and foremost we need to tell the EU who we are no longer part of to fuck off and stop interfering in our laws.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2022 16:39:51 GMT
I think £7 million pound a day has been a Wake up call, not just to the Tories but to everyone. I think we might actually see some action at last, but I suspect it will be at a snails pace. According to my pessimistic crystal ball they're just buying time and making some futile effort to appeal to Conservative members who no longer support them in the hope that they can hold off a GE whilst lining their pockets. They will continue to do as much damage as possible in preparation for the Labour government, which will finish off the country using the idea that they were elected into power because the people want millions more.
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Post by oracle75 on Dec 13, 2022 16:40:13 GMT
Seeking asylum is not illegal,and the UK cannot declare it to be illegal.
But Albanians are another issue and organised by established smugglers who have been in the game for years, smuggling all sorts of things.
One part I heard was a closer connect to Albanian law enforcement. That could prove to be very interesting.
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 13, 2022 16:43:50 GMT
I think £7 million pound a day has been a Wake up call, not just to the Tories but to everyone. I think we might actually see some action at last, but I suspect it will be at a snails pace. According to my pessimistic crystal ball they're just buying time and making some futile effort to appeal to Conservative members who no longer support them in the hope that they can hold off a GE whilst lining their pockets. They will continue to do as much damage as possible in preparation for the Labour government, which will finish off the country using the idea that they were elected into power because the people want millions more.
Agree, they are making all the right noises, the GE is looming ever closer, this is all sound bite politics 'enough is enough', however if they can pull it out of the hat by the next GE it could be the difference in them winning or losing. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 13, 2022 16:49:51 GMT
Some commentators are making that very point. The whole purpose of the 'statement' and the airy persiflage within it is to force Starmer's hand into opposing the Conservatives' 'plan' of dealing robustly with asylum seekers and other 'illegals'.
I think that would place them (Labour) in direct opposition to the mainstream of public opinion and set the stage for an earlier than anticipated general election.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Dec 13, 2022 16:51:57 GMT
I wonder which laws they will be introducing/amending/repealing to allow these changes.
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 13, 2022 16:55:16 GMT
I wonder which laws they will be introducing/amending/repealing to allow these changes. That all depends on the hierarchy.
Strangely enough the only truth Prince Harry has told so far is indicating there is a hierarchy, but this does not end just in the Royal family, this elusive hierarchy run this country and not the government and not the royals, but they call the shots.
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Post by dappy on Dec 13, 2022 16:56:14 GMT
Dan, your post highlights the usual dichotomy.
Asylum seekers are not illegal immigrants and there aren't that many of them and those judged deserving are by definition in need of help - maybe 50,000 per year
Meanwhile there are illegal immigrants - almost certainly far more in number and not deserving in any way who are not remotely affected by Sunak's statement.
Yet again we are letting the tabloids set the agenda rather than genuine issues. I guess it will always be so and always therefore negatively affect our country. Ho hum.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 13, 2022 17:39:58 GMT
According to my pessimistic crystal ball they're just buying time and making some futile effort to appeal to Conservative members who no longer support them in the hope that they can hold off a GE whilst lining their pockets. They will continue to do as much damage as possible in preparation for the Labour government, which will finish off the country using the idea that they were elected into power because the people want millions more.
It's certainly going to be an interesting issue for the Labour Government who wants to make it easier for illegals to get into the country - how they are going to spin that to a skeptical public will be one of their first problems. I certainly have my doubts that the measures announced this afternoon will achieve anything - Starmer was suggesting UK Border Guards at Tirana airport - what that is supposed to achieve when pretty much all of them arrive by boat escapes me. The other main problem apart from the international convention on refugees is the UK Slavery Legislation that more and more of these people are using to gain permanent residence - Sunak had barely sat down when we saw Tories standing up and demanding that nothing changes with that Law. So his plans for reform already look dead in the water. |
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