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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 14, 2022 10:35:38 GMT
You've told us many times where your sympathies lie dappy so nothing new here. The only remark I can agree with is the need to decide cases quickly.
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 14, 2022 10:36:57 GMT
The bit they didn’t mention: “...Part of Sunak’s strategy — although not one he dwelt on — is to fast-track and largely accept many of those waiting for their asylum claims to be processed [that’s the 140,000+ backlog ed.]. One MP in a marginal Conservative seat said he had several hundred asylum seekers in his constituency who were put up in hotels and unable to work while their claims were processed. That meant they had nowhere to go and so all his constituents saw were large groups of mainly young men hanging around. By processing their claims rapidly and allowing them to work and assimilate into communities, the government hopes that the most “visual” element of the crisis will be eliminated.” [emphasis added] www.thetimes.co.uk/article/rishi-sunaks-migrant-strategy-is-a-big-challenge-and-an-even-bigger-gamble-srt0gcv5wI more or less knew that straight away, he didn't want to come out with it but basically he's just going to rubber stamp 140,000 asylum applications for approval, which will give a green light for the boat people to continue coming. |
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Post by dappy on Dec 14, 2022 10:48:22 GMT
You've told us many times where your sympathies lie dappy so nothing new here. The only remark I can agree with is the need to decide cases quickly. That's good. That's pretty much all I said. Its in everyone's interests to decide cases quickly. Unless you are arguing with "deciding cases fairly". Surely not.... |
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 14, 2022 10:49:45 GMT
That's the exact process that the Labour government followed when it discovered 450,000 'legacy cases' in boxes in a Croydon warehouse in 2006. Eventually most of those that could be found were granted permanent leave to remain without even going through the 'refugee' stage.
It took more than five years to complete the exercise (the Tories finished the job) but they managed to do it so stealthily that the Great British Public was none the wiser.
This is how amnesties work, and how one naturally begets another.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 14, 2022 10:50:33 GMT
You've told us many times where your sympathies lie dappy so nothing new here. The only remark I can agree with is the need to decide cases quickly. That's good. That's pretty much all I said. Its in everyone's interests to decide cases quickly. Unless you are arguing with "deciding cases fairly". Surely not.... What do you mean by 'fairly'? |
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Post by dappy on Dec 14, 2022 11:04:20 GMT
Just the normal meaning of the word really, Dan. Calmly unemotionally reasonably judging whether the facts of the case meet the standard set out in the law and precedents for whether or not the individual involved should be judged worthy of sanctuary in our country.
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Post by Dan Dare on Dec 14, 2022 11:10:55 GMT
The problem arises with your use of the word 'precedents'. As is well known successive governments have presided over a decades-long process of 'mission creep' in which the commitments taken on with the Refugee Convention have been embellished and gold-plated beyond recognition in order to provide sanctuary for one 'deserving' group or another.
We need to return to the original letter and spirit of the Convention and start again from there.
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Post by Red Rackham on Dec 14, 2022 11:33:35 GMT
Main points:
- New legislation to disallow illegal entrants from the asylum system (I thought this already existed)
- Albanians to be fast-track deported (starting when?)
- Modern slavery rules to tightened (next year)
- Channel operational command to be reorganised (again)
- Rwanda option to be re-opened (don't know when)
- Asylum seekers to be housed in eg holidays camps, halls of residence etc not hotels
- Backlog of asylum claims (currently 140,000+) to be reduced to zero by end 2023 I suspect it will make little difference to left wing lawyers who with the help of the HRA and ECtHR seem to run rings around the government. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 14, 2022 13:50:03 GMT
Your article is behind a paywall Dan but it is clearly a ridiculous situation to have loads of people hanging around unproductively for months and often years while a faceless bureaucracy sits on its hands. Obviously its bad for our country due to cost but also its very bad for the humans affected as well with no idea what is going on no communication and no ownership of their lives. It is in everyone's interests for cases to be determined quickly and fairly. I agree, they should ship them all back to the last safe country they left. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 15:59:24 GMT
According to my pessimistic crystal ball they're just buying time and making some futile effort to appeal to Conservative members who no longer support them in the hope that they can hold off a GE whilst lining their pockets. They will continue to do as much damage as possible in preparation for the Labour government, which will finish off the country using the idea that they were elected into power because the people want millions more.
It's certainly going to be an interesting issue for the Labour Government who wants to make it easier for illegals to get into the country - how they are going to spin that to a skeptical public will be one of their first problems. I certainly have my doubts that the measures announced this afternoon will achieve anything - Starmer was suggesting UK Border Guards at Tirana airport - what that is supposed to achieve when pretty much all of them arrive by boat escapes me. The other main problem apart from the international convention on refugees is the UK Slavery Legislation that more and more of these people are using to gain permanent residence - Sunak had barely sat down when we saw Tories standing up and demanding that nothing changes with that Law. So his plans for reform already look dead in the water. What are those Tories who go against their electorate and PM actually representing? I know the think tanks want more immigration and migrant labour, but these are only meant to be advisors who are only interested in quick profit without a care in the world for the country as a whole. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 14, 2022 22:53:57 GMT
The Tories have had plenty of time to sort this out, this is another failure. Nadine Dorries said 8 or 9 months ago that wwe need a general election, i felt she was betraying the country and the Tories. Not now. The Tories have lost the plot, i thought, in my naivety that Sunak would get it sorted. I wont be voting blue next time, to do so is more of the same, the Tories need to go. In medicine sometimes things have to get worse before things get better to know what the problem is. Parliament and in all its actions stinks to high heaven, corrupt and not fit for purpose, when it should be. We are a sovereign nation now. We need business leaders, big and small, council leaders, ordinary people, even union leaders to run the country, not the OXbridge up their own bottoms rubbish, divorced from everything. Dont vote tory. I probably wont vote, i dont know anything about the reform party.Here you go: www.reformparty.ukToo many shady right-wing characters in there for me. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 15, 2022 6:28:48 GMT
Too many shady right-wing characters in there for me. I don't know how you can tell them from all the other shady ones. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 15, 2022 22:13:36 GMT
Your article is behind a paywall Dan but it is clearly a ridiculous situation to have loads of people hanging around unproductively for months and often years while a faceless bureaucracy sits on its hands. Obviously its bad for our country due to cost but also its very bad for the humans affected as well with no idea what is going on no communication and no ownership of their lives. It is in everyone's interests for cases to be determined quickly and fairly. I agree, they should ship them all back to the last safe country they left. Wouldn't you need something like the Dublin Agreement to do this? |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 15, 2022 22:17:10 GMT
I agree, they should ship them all back to the last safe country they left. Wouldn't you need something like the Dublin Agreement to do this? No, all you need is an aeroplane or a ferry, maybe a dinghy. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 15, 2022 22:23:05 GMT
Hmm. Think you may be wrong on this one. 😉
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