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Post by sheepy on Dec 21, 2022 22:58:55 GMT
Seems you've got some research to do then. No not me, if you are making accusations then you need to show what lies behind them. You could start by understanding electrical impulses. |
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 21, 2022 23:00:35 GMT
Seems you've got some research to do then. No not me, if you are making accusations then you need to show what lies behind them. Stating that unconscious bias training factually exists is not an accusation it's a fact. I need to demonstrate nothing. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 22, 2022 7:26:33 GMT
Now on to colour. Why are all colours not immediately recognised by a newborn, in fact5 at birth only black and white are recognised. Yes I know in a relatively short time that babies recognise all colours but doesn't see them on the same level, for instance, they find some colours alarming, others calming. It takes months for a babies eyes to develop. The suggestion that they only see in black and white is now discarded, the suspicion is that the first colour babies are aware of is red. I have heard that when their eyes are developing colour they sometimes show a preference for one colour but I have never heard of them being alarmed (frightened) by any colour. Red is indeed the first colour they encounter so at what point do they encounter other colours and and when they are initially on red, what other colours are visible or do they see everything as red? |
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Post by see2 on Dec 22, 2022 11:09:41 GMT
No not me, if you are making accusations then you need to show what lies behind them. Stating that unconscious bias training factually exists is not an accusation it's a fact. I need to demonstrate nothing. That is not in dispute, the suggestion that it is used in order to train subconscious bias out of the system is. If that was never your intention then we have crossed wires somewhere. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 22, 2022 11:21:01 GMT
It takes months for a babies eyes to develop. The suggestion that they only see in black and white is now discarded, the suspicion is that the first colour babies are aware of is red. I have heard that when their eyes are developing colour they sometimes show a preference for one colour but I have never heard of them being alarmed (frightened) by any colour. Red is indeed the first colour they encounter so at what point do they encounter other colours and and when they are initially on red, what other colours are visible or do they see everything as red? It takes time for the brain to develop. Just as Vision is initially back to front, and some some take longer to develop than others which is why some children write words that can only be read by seeing the words in a mirror. I think the starting point for this discussion is to understand that while all DNA follow the same principal not all human DNA is identical. That is made evident just by looking at the people around us. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 22, 2022 16:50:52 GMT
Red is indeed the first colour they encounter so at what point do they encounter other colours and and when they are initially on red, what other colours are visible or do they see everything as red? It takes time for the brain to develop. Just as Vision is initially back to front, and some some take longer to develop than others which is why some children write words that can only be read by seeing the words in a mirror. I think the starting point for this discussion is to understand that while all DNA follow the same principal not all human DNA is identical. That is made evident just by looking at the people around us. What is the principle that DNA follows? It is known that some DNA is positively damaging to the being within which it resides, a great deal seems to do nothing at all, some seem to be very parasitic hindering but not blocking and some, especially in some sperm seem to create aggression against different sperm and some make some sperm act as guards over a fertilised egg. I think there is no starting point as the subject is still open to major research and theory. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 22, 2022 17:12:38 GMT
Red is indeed the first colour they encounter so at what point do they encounter other colours and and when they are initially on red, what other colours are visible or do they see everything as red? It takes time for the brain to develop. Just as Vision is initially back to front, and some some take longer to develop than others which is why some children write words that can only be read by seeing the words in a mirror. I think the starting point for this discussion is to understand that while all DNA follow the same principal not all human DNA is identical. That is made evident just by looking at the people around us. Which really didn't address my points.. Color is important in this discussion since very young babies, and even as they grow into children, are known to be influenced by colour, without nurture. Yellow is an alarm colour whilst soft pastel shades have a calming effect. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 22, 2022 17:49:44 GMT
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Post by see2 on Dec 22, 2022 17:52:14 GMT
Which really didn't address my points.. Color is important in this discussion since very young babies, and even as they grow into children, are known to be influenced by colour, without nurture. Yellow is an alarm colour whilst soft pastel shades have a calming effect. The colour yellow can be very bright as such it can be alarming which is perhaps why some yellows can trigger a reaction from the deliberately wary part of the brain. Even assuming your claim is correct, everything depends on how the Hard Wired to be wary system perceives the colour. Considering that the Hard wired to be wary system is one of the primary systems that is functioning before birth, I have read of Doctors who have witnessed an unborn fetus reacting in fear, who knows what it has learned while in the womb? I suspect you are asking questions some of which are unanswerable and others that no one has a full answer to, so if you are trying to make a point, I suggest you make it. |
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 22, 2022 23:09:08 GMT
Stating that unconscious bias training factually exists is not an accusation it's a fact. I need to demonstrate nothing. That is not in dispute, the suggestion that it is used in order to train subconscious bias out of the system is. If that was never your intention then we have crossed wires somewhere. What do you think 'unconscious bias training' is then? hbr.org/2021/09/unconscious-bias-training-that-works#:~:text=UB%20training%20seeks%20to%20raise,interactions%20with%20customers%20and%20colleagues. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 23, 2022 10:50:49 GMT
I accept that "Subconscious Bias Training" is about recognising and dealing with with with Subconscious Bias, which I don't find objectionable. Starting with the recognition that it actually exists and the probability that the owner does not even know they own it. I have been debating along the lines that some people, 1. don't understand that subconscious bias exists. 2. some people actively denigrate the subject without understanding it. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 23, 2022 11:46:30 GMT
I accept that "Subconscious Bias Training" is about recognising and dealing with with with Subconscious Bias, which I don't find objectionable. Starting with the recognition that it actually exists and the probability that the owner does not even know they own it. I have been debating along the lines that some people, 1. don't understand that subconscious bias exists. 2. some people actively denigrate the subject without understanding it. Exactly Such training is about recognising that we all are likely to have unconscious bias in some of our thought processes and to help us be aware of such IE to make us more conscious of it so it doesn't translate into implemented bias. As Buccaneer's link says: avoiding snap judgements. |
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Post by Orac on Mar 5, 2023 8:58:11 GMT
Interesting call on LBC
Police system is 'broken,' says serving officer
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Post by Orac on Mar 5, 2023 9:06:37 GMT
I accept that "Subconscious Bias Training" is about recognising and dealing with with with Subconscious Bias, which I don't find objectionable. Starting with the recognition that it actually exists and the probability that the owner does not even know they own it. I have been debating along the lines that some people, 1. don't understand that subconscious bias exists. 2. some people actively denigrate the subject without understanding it. Exactly Such training is about recognising that we all are likely to have unconscious bias in some of our thought processes and to help us be aware of such IE to make us more conscious of it so it doesn't translate into implemented bias. As Buccaneer's link says: avoiding snap judgements. I would say that if an experienced and well trained psychiatrist felt he were qualified to give such training as a generality, he would probably be massively over-estimating his abilities - to an extent that it would make me doubt if he had any insight. When management bods and HR personnel tell you they can do, it's likely they are either suffering from some kind of personality issue or they are just talking about political training. |
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