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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 21, 2022 15:06:57 GMT
Those with even basic numeracy know that your insult 21 hours ago is BEFORE my post 15 hours ago (all times as of 3pm Dec 21st) Those with even basic English know that 'bitching' and 'your stupidity' refer to the content you posted Seems you don't qualify Even more insults ^^, he never knows when to stop does he. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 21, 2022 15:08:08 GMT
Those with even basic numeracy know that your insult 21 hours ago is BEFORE my post 15 hours ago (all times as of 3pm Dec 21st) Those with even basic English know that 'bitching' and 'your stupidity' refer to the content you posted Seems you don't qualify FS The insults keep coming ^^ |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 21, 2022 15:08:33 GMT
We can all see who slings the insults, no debate just insults.
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 21, 2022 15:36:55 GMT
Those with even basic numeracy know that your insult 21 hours ago is BEFORE my post 15 hours ago (all times as of 3pm Dec 21st)
Those with even basic English know that 'bitching' and 'your stupidity' refer to the content you postedSeems you don't qualify FS Most of us could say exactly the same thing to you.
But guess what?
Most of us have decorum and don't want to ruin threads with continuous insults, unlike you who destroys most threads with your attacks on other posters.
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Post by Steve on Dec 21, 2022 16:55:30 GMT
Look Fairsociety if you expect me to just sit here and take your insults and never respond in kind you are always going to be disappointed.
You started throwing insults, your best buddy B4 joined in and of course I'm eventually going to respond in kind.
Maybe don't start what you can't handle
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Post by Toreador on Dec 21, 2022 17:04:24 GMT
Can you explain why some things, never previously experienced, will cause fear but others won't have the same effect? You say they're learned and I think they're stored in the primal brain. Fear takes place in the sensory system. The sensory system begins to learn during the last three months in the womb. It continues to learn mostly during childhood often learning subliminally so that the thinking brain is not aware of everything learnt and held in the sensory system. The thinking brain begins to activate around the age of two, which means it wakes up to a world already coloured by the sensory system. If one has not learned to fear a particular situation then one will not feel fear in that situation. That's how it works. Also different individuals can learn fear to a situation at different levels. It's part of what makes people react differently. So you don't believe the brain is formed in a way ancestral experiences are implanted? |
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Post by Steve on Dec 21, 2022 17:15:12 GMT
Fear takes place in the sensory system. The sensory system begins to learn during the last three months in the womb. It continues to learn mostly during childhood often learning subliminally so that the thinking brain is not aware of everything learnt and held in the sensory system. The thinking brain begins to activate around the age of two, which means it wakes up to a world already coloured by the sensory system. If one has not learned to fear a particular situation then one will not feel fear in that situation. That's how it works. Also different individuals can learn fear to a situation at different levels. It's part of what makes people react differently. So you don't believe the brain is formed in a way ancestral experiences are implanted? Not at anything other than a very basic level - like blinking eyes when something nears them. All the behaviours we see as human behaviour are driven by our learning experiences incl culture - even if by reacting against such. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 21, 2022 17:30:31 GMT
DNA gives us everything it can to help us survive. That includes behavioural traits. We can return to the Hawk Dove game and certain Australian Finches where the balance of the Hawk behaviour finches and to the Doves was accurately predicted using the Hawk/Dove game. DNA controlled the aggressive behaviour of the red headed finches whereas the black headed were more passive. DNA is not a passive constructor of the body it is a director of that body but gives it free rein tolearn and behave in teh environment it finds itself and it is to that environment that the DNA has designed the body and given it behaviours to meet the needs of survival and reproduction. You do not learn what you find attractive you are guided by evolution and what your DNA says. I have posted previously on DNA that there are limited things that are innate to the system passed on by DNA, things like bodily functions, heartbeat and other organs that function on their own etc. Being wary is from the DNA, the actions that come from being wary that ARE ALL LEARNED. Because you have convinced yourself through your opinions and your best logic, that DNA itself is active in Human behaviour, when DNA is actually just the blueprint not the controller. You are stuck, I can't help you so I will not be replying to any further posts on DNA by yourself. Well I am repeating the views of several well known genetic scientists and bear in mind the genetic blueprint is not there to help us survive it is there to help the genes that make that blueprint survive. We are only of importance as regards our ability to survive and reproduce and to that end they will instill in us as much as they can to secure that outcome. We are like any programmed machine, we obey our programming. We have been evolved to have extra ability to consider our programming and overide it if necessary. We were evolved to have a sex drive to promote reproduction but evolution could not take account of masturbation nor birth control |
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Post by see2 on Dec 21, 2022 18:26:48 GMT
Fear takes place in the sensory system. The sensory system begins to learn during the last three months in the womb. It continues to learn mostly during childhood often learning subliminally so that the thinking brain is not aware of everything learnt and held in the sensory system. The thinking brain begins to activate around the age of two, which means it wakes up to a world already coloured by the sensory system. If one has not learned to fear a particular situation then one will not feel fear in that situation. That's how it works. Also different individuals can learn fear to a situation at different levels. It's part of what makes people react differently. So you don't believe the brain is formed in a way ancestral experiences are implanted? Not ancestral memories as in being available to the thinking logical brain. I don't believe that anything more than being hard wired to be wary is necessary. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 21, 2022 18:33:02 GMT
So you don't believe the brain is formed in a way ancestral experiences are implanted? Not ancestral memories as in being available to the thinking logical brain. I don't believe that anything more than being hard wired to be wary is necessary. Now on to colour. Why are all colours not immediately recognised by a newborn, in fact5 at birth only black and white are recognised. Yes I know in a relatively short time that babies recognise all colours but doesn't see them on the same level, for instance, they find some colours alarming, others calming. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 21, 2022 22:37:14 GMT
Not ancestral memories as in being available to the thinking logical brain. I don't believe that anything more than being hard wired to be wary is necessary. Now on to colour. Why are all colours not immediately recognised by a newborn, in fact5 at birth only black and white are recognised. Yes I know in a relatively short time that babies recognise all colours but doesn't see them on the same level, for instance, they find some colours alarming, others calming. It takes months for a babies eyes to develop. The suggestion that they only see in black and white is now discarded, the suspicion is that the first colour babies are aware of is red. I have heard that when their eyes are developing colour they sometimes show a preference for one colour but I have never heard of them being alarmed (frightened) by any colour. |
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 21, 2022 22:45:09 GMT
The second sentence isn't about unconscious bias though. The first sentence or example I gave is exactly the kind of 'unconscious bias' that must be 'trained' out of people. I never suggested such thoughts "must be 'trained' out of people." and I don't believe anyone else has. It looks more like your opinion than a fact. I never claimed you said they need to be trained. Many companies and University subjects do advocate 'unconscious bias' training. This isn't opinion, this is fact. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 21, 2022 22:51:34 GMT
I never suggested such thoughts "must be 'trained' out of people." and I don't believe anyone else has. It looks more like your opinion than a fact. I never claimed you said they need to be trained. Many companies and University subjects do advocate 'unconscious bias' training. This isn't opinion, this is fact. You did post "The first sentence or example I gave is exactly the kind of 'unconscious bias' that must be 'trained' out of people." Then one would have to know what that training did in order to be able to comment on it. |
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Post by buccaneer on Dec 21, 2022 22:52:24 GMT
I never claimed you said they need to be trained. Many companies and University subjects do advocate 'unconscious bias' training. This isn't opinion, this is fact. Then one would have to know what that training did in order to be able to comment on it. Seems you've got some research to do then. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 21, 2022 22:54:59 GMT
Then one would have to know what that training did in order to be able to comment on it. Seems you've got some research to do then. No not me, if you are making accusations then you need to show what lies behind them. |
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