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Post by oracle75 on Dec 21, 2022 9:58:55 GMT
The idea of someone being "trained" out of a bias, conscious or not, is both uncomfortable and contradictory.
Staying with this old lady, it could be said that at least once a week she hears the news that some non white young man has either died or been convicted of a knifing.
She also sees that lone women are attacked on a regular basis while walking down a street.
What old lady would NOT feel threatened by someone walking behind her? Why should she not cross to the other side?
Has anyone asked her if she feels differently about their race? Or is it just that creepy feeling when someone is behind you?
And how is she supposed to be "trained" to not be afraid when she is "trained" to be afraid every day by her favourite media?
Re the OP, maybe Red should lighten up and stop clutching his pearls whenever possible.
There is no LAW involved. It is a reminder that out of respect for non Christians, a good manager tries to make everyone happy. In some places the population is non Christian. In some places non Christians love any excuse for a party. Choice and management skills are not "woke".
And if you want to get really honest, I have never considered Christmas parties to be Christian. They belong to the realm of Santa and mistletoe ( druid).
If some employees don't want to go to a pissup and a drunken orgy for whatever reason, I wouldn't blame them. I have never considered such a way to celebrate a holy holiday as applicable anyway.
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Post by see2 on Dec 21, 2022 10:00:36 GMT
Why have you completely ignore my earlier post to you where I posted that the Lady was right to do what she did ? I would say it's because you invented a new and irrelevant scenario to get away from the fact that you have been openly contradicting yourself. You are demanding that people recognise this so-called subconcious bias and deal with it, whilst also claiming subconcious bias instructed this old lady to do the right thing. Please don't post anymore lies about me. 1. Show where I have been openly contradicting myself. 2. I have NOT demanded ("demanding") that anyone must recognise subconscious bias and deal with it. 3. I posted that the old lady was right to follow her feelings. Do you suffer from a lack of comprehension, or are you being deliberately obtuse? |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 21, 2022 10:07:09 GMT
The idea of someone being "trained" out of a bias, conscious or not, is both uncomfortable and contradictory. Staying with this old lady, it could be said that at least once a week she hears the news that some non white young man has either died or been convicted of a knifing. She also sees that lone women are attacked on a regular basis while walking down a street. What old lady would NOT feel threatened by someone walking behind her? Why should she not cross to the other side? Has anyone asked her if she feels differently about their race? Or is it just that creepy feeling when someone is behind you? And how is she supposed to be "trained" to not be afraid when she is "trained" to be afraid every day by her favourite media? Re the OP, maybe Red should lighten up and stop clutching his pearls whenever possible. There is no LAW involved. It is a reminder that out of respect for non Christians, a good manager tries to make everyone happy. In some places the population is non Christian. In some places non Christians love any excuse for a party. Choice and management skills are not "woke". And if you want to get really honest, I have never considered Christmas parties to be Christian. They belong to the realm of Santa and mistletoe ( druid). If some employees don't want to go to a pissup and a drunken orgy for whatever reason, I wouldn't blame them. I have never considered such a way to celebrate a holy holiday as applicable anyway. Never mind the old lady walking down the street feeling threatened, most of us feel threatened when we see gangs of youths on bikes heading towards us wearing dark clothing with hoodies covering their faces, there is no unconscious bias with me, it's pure bias .... I just think oh fuck I hope I don't get jumped. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 10:11:57 GMT
Most schools have banned 'baa baa black sheep' and replaced it with another word. Why would children have a unconscious bias, it's a nursery rhyme even was I was a child, believe me, not once did I ever think I was offending any one, not then and not now, it's ridiculous. Most of us know, and will be well aware when the word black is being used as a racial slur, but almost banning the word black in most connotations is sending out the wrong message. The meaning behind Baa, Baa, Black Sheep Baa Baa Black Sheep is about the medieval wool tax, imposed in the 13th Century by King Edward I. Under the new rules, a third of the cost of a sack of wool went to him, another went to the church and the last to the farmer. I doubt the word 'black' really matters and was just an opportunity to erase a part of history from schools. Woke has this strong belief that everything western is racist, where, like you have pointed out, even the word 'black' is racist, even when you can clearly prove that it isn't. Their path of mindless destruction has only been encouraged. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 21, 2022 10:16:49 GMT
Most schools have banned 'baa baa black sheep' and replaced it with another word. Why would children have a unconscious bias, it's a nursery rhyme even was I was a child, believe me, not once did I ever think I was offending any one, not then and not now, it's ridiculous. Most of us know, and will be well aware when the word black is being used as a racial slur, but almost banning the word black in most connotations is sending out the wrong message. The meaning behind Baa, Baa, Black Sheep Baa Baa Black Sheep is about the medieval wool tax, imposed in the 13th Century by King Edward I. Under the new rules, a third of the cost of a sack of wool went to him, another went to the church and the last to the farmer. I doubt the word 'black' really matters and was just an opportunity to erase a part of history from schools. Woke has this strong belief that everything western is racist, where, like you have pointed out, even the word 'black' is racist, even when you can clearly prove that it isn't. Their path of mindless destruction has only been encouraged. To be honest I had to look up the meaning of baa baa black sheep, now I know exactly where the rhyme originated from, I feel the only person being discriminated against was the farmer, the King took his cut, the Church took theirs, and the poor hard working farmer gets paid the last and the least.
.. Or is that just my unconscious bias kicking in lol
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Post by Toreador on Dec 21, 2022 10:27:51 GMT
DNA gives us everything it can to help us survive. That includes behavioural traits. We can return to the Hawk Dove game and certain Australian Finches where the balance of the Hawk behaviour finches and to the Doves was accurately predicted using the Hawk/Dove game. DNA controlled the aggressive behaviour of the red headed finches whereas the black headed were more passive. DNA is not a passive constructor of the body it is a director of that body but gives it free rein tolearn and behave in teh environment it finds itself and it is to that environment that the DNA has designed the body and given it behaviours to meet the needs of survival and reproduction. You do not learn what you find attractive you are guided by evolution and what your DNA says. I have posted previously on DNA that there are limited things that are innate to the system passed on by DNA, things like bodily functions, heartbeat and other organs that function on their own etc. Being wary is from the DNA, the actions that come from being wary that ARE ALL LEARNED. Because you have convinced yourself through your opinions and your best logic, that DNA itself is active in Human behaviour, when DNA is actually just the blueprint not the controller. You are stuck, I can't help you so I will not be replying to any further posts on DNA by yourself. Can you explain why some things, never previously experienced, will cause fear but others won't have the same effect? You say they're learned and I think they're stored in the primal brain. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 10:56:34 GMT
I doubt the word 'black' really matters and was just an opportunity to erase a part of history from schools. Woke has this strong belief that everything western is racist, where, like you have pointed out, even the word 'black' is racist, even when you can clearly prove that it isn't. Their path of mindless destruction has only been encouraged. To be honest I had to look up the meaning of baa baa black sheep, now I know exactly where the rhyme originated from, I feel the only person being discriminated against was the farmer, the King took his cut, the Church took theirs, and the poor hard working farmer gets paid the last and the least.
.. Or is that just my unconscious bias kicking in lol
Nah, you're fine and your reactions are perfectly healthy. After all, something gets banned because it's racist, even when there's absolutely no evidence to support the accusation. The fact that it happened is enough to conclude that those behind it are malicious hate-filled bigots who don't care about facts, and only want to destroy. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 21, 2022 11:01:31 GMT
To be honest I had to look up the meaning of baa baa black sheep, now I know exactly where the rhyme originated from, I feel the only person being discriminated against was the farmer, the King took his cut, the Church took theirs, and the poor hard working farmer gets paid the last and the least.
.. Or is that just my unconscious bias kicking in lol
Nah, you're fine and your reactions are perfectly healthy. After all, something gets banned because it's racist, even when there's absolutely no evidence to support the accusation. The fact that it happened is enough to conclude that those behind it are malicious hate-filled bigots who don't care about facts, and only want to destroy. Agree, people with far too much time on their hands are seeing things that aren't there, but some people are determined to create a malicious hate-filled society. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 21, 2022 11:22:41 GMT
Re the OP, maybe Red should lighten up and stop clutching his pearls whenever possible. There is no LAW involved. It is a reminder that out of respect for non Christians, a good manager tries to make everyone happy. In some places the population is non Christian. In some places non Christians love any excuse for a party. Choice and management skills are not "woke". And if you want to get really honest, I have never considered Christmas parties to be Christian. They belong to the realm of Santa and mistletoe ( druid). If some employees don't want to go to a pissup and a drunken orgy for whatever reason, I wouldn't blame them. I have never considered such a way to celebrate a holy holiday as applicable anyway. I think you are rather missing the point of the OP. Nobody could care less if the Muslim guy doesn't want to go to the Christmas piss-up, the point is that the Christmas piss-up is cancelled because the muslim guy might not want to go. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 21, 2022 12:15:08 GMT
Dunno, how irrelevant a question But then I'm smart enough to see that whereas you bitterly false posted that all black people think the same with that broad brush 'Black people want to be called 'black people', not coloured not brown, but black.' followed by inane ranting. And now you're bitching because your stupidity was fairly pointed out. It's the Woke Church that is telling people this through its ongoing attacks on western civilisation and language. We are supposed to just conform . . .
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 12:19:44 GMT
It's the Woke Church that is telling people this through its ongoing attacks on western civilisation and language. We are supposed to just conform, yet Fairsociety clearly requires the updated list of commandments which tells him when using specific words is or isn't acceptable. It is your response that demonstrates a total lack of intelligence. You not only failed to answer him, you dishonestly insulted him.
No B4 we're supposed to think before spouting out like complete gits. Oh look, Steve is trolling again and posting little insults. Is he capable of anything else? |
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Post by Steve on Dec 21, 2022 12:26:50 GMT
No, I fairly responded to your abusive challenge.
We all are supposed to think before spouting out broad brush racist shite. To do otherwise is to be a git.
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Post by Fairsociety on Dec 21, 2022 12:30:50 GMT
No, I fairly responded to your abusive challenge. We all are supposed to think before spouting out broad brush racist shite. To do otherwise is to be a git. Care to point out who has made a racist comment?
you keep bandying this notion that posters are 'spouting' out broad bush racist shite?
Let us see what you believe to be broad bush racist shite?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 12:33:08 GMT
No, I fairly responded to your abusive challenge. We all are supposed to think before spouting out broad brush racist shite. To do otherwise is to be a git. Once again, more abuse and insults from Steve. He was obviously incapable of answering Fairsociety's question and just insulted him, too. I guess Steve isn't capable on much else. |
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Post by Steve on Dec 21, 2022 12:34:04 GMT
No, I fairly responded to your abusive challenge. We all are supposed to think before spouting out broad brush racist shite. To do otherwise is to be a git. Care to point out who has made a racist comment? you keep bandying this notion that posters are 'spouting' out broad bush racist shite? Let us see what you believe to be broad bush racist shite?
This broad brush supposition by you was racist FS I don't get how this unconscious bias works? Black people want to be called 'black people', not coloured not brown, but black. Fair enough, but why is everything relating to the word 'black' is racist? Ba Ba 'black sheep', racist? blackboard, racist? black bin liners, racist? How the fuck do we know when we can use the word 'black' without being labeled a racist, if it's not the right black. |
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