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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 17, 2024 10:39:58 GMT
I'm with Eon, but given that all suppliers charge at the cap, it doesn't really matter.
I'm not on any form of deal, I'm on the standard variable, so when the prices go up, my costs go up, when they come down my costs come down.
Monthly DD prices in themselves are not necessarily a true reflection of costs, as the suppliers make shit up, "to make sure you cover the cost", i.e. they want to ensure that you're in credit. I pay a variable amount based on my usage, so I keep a keen eye on costs.
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Post by thomas on Nov 17, 2024 10:44:03 GMT
Well then nobody needs any help with energy bills, oh but wait. the average price on energy was £1834 last October , this year its £1717. £117 saving , on an "average " bill , just over 6 % . Squeezie is telling us he has saved nearly 25 % . Andrew is waffling , and not disclosing much after his wage freeze error , which he doesn't want to discuss anymore. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 17, 2024 10:46:36 GMT
You're graph shows that what we are saying is correct. Also the cap applies to all suppliers, so which supplier you use doesn't make a difference. it doesn't. we are talking about marginal figures on gas and electricity bills , for example my own bill in real terms has increased £1.35 per month on this time last November , albeit im not with another energy supplier. Where in that graph does it show a saving of 25% as squeezie is claiming on energy bills from this October to last October.  That's a more complicated piece of maths as that depends on the individual and what they use and when they use it. For example I'm on Economy 7 electric, but also have solar panels. So I can run things like dishwasher or washing machine when the sun is shining, or in the Winter overnight, for little to no cost. So if the unit cost of electric goes up, it's not that big a deal, but if the standing charge halves, that's a saving. The biggest cost though is the unit charge of gas, and as you point out that has had a significant fall, so the more gas usage you have, the bigger the saving. |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 17, 2024 10:46:57 GMT
Well then nobody needs any help with energy bills, oh but wait. the average price on energy was £1834 last October , this year its £1717. £117 saving , on an "average " bill , just over 6 % . Squeezie is telling us he has saved nearly 25 % . Andrew is waffling , and not disclosing much after his wage freeze error , which he doesn't want to discuss anymore. No,no it all makes sense you are better off, so pensioners will not need any help, they aren't much use anyway. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 17, 2024 10:48:33 GMT
Well then nobody needs any help with energy bills, oh but wait. the average price on energy was £1834 last October , this year its £1717. £117 saving , on an "average " bill , just over 6 % . Squeezie is telling us he has saved nearly 25 % . Andrew is waffling , and not disclosing much after his wage freeze error , which he doesn't want to discuss anymore. I haven't made an error over my wage freeze. I've simply pointed out that in spite of my wage freeze, I'm better off because my costs have come down. This really isn't a difficult concept. 🫠 |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 17, 2024 10:53:14 GMT
the average price on energy was £1834 last October , this year its £1717. £117 saving , on an "average " bill , just over 6 % . Squeezie is telling us he has saved nearly 25 % . Andrew is waffling , and not disclosing much after his wage freeze error , which he doesn't want to discuss anymore. I haven't made an error over my wage freeze. I've simply pointed out that in spite of my wage freeze, I'm better off because my costs have come down. This really isn't a difficult concept. 🫠 So you are better off in the sense that a wage freeze has helped in a cost of living crisis since the end of covid? Well although some see it as a never ending saga. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 17, 2024 10:54:35 GMT
I'm with Eon, but given that all suppliers charge at the cap, it doesn't really matter. I'm not on any form of deal, I'm on the standard variable, so when the prices go up, my costs go up, when they come down my costs come down. Monthly DD prices in themselves are not necessarily a true reflection of costs, as the suppliers make shit up, "to make sure you cover the cost", i.e. they want to ensure that you're in credit. I pay a variable amount based on my usage, so I keep a keen eye on costs. of course it matters. We have just discussed we are talking about such marginal savings on the headline average bill , most folk aren't noticing it in real terms. Octopus have clearly said they aren't raising standing charges in line with the cap , so what are you talking about? I never said they were. I pointed out the monthly d/d are the real cost people are paying ,and what they notice , as most folk have tried to get a fixed deal before the price cap rose , so in effect , as I keep pointing out to you , the marginal savings on a unit rate for gas or standing charge freeze doesn't really mean much to the average user. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 17, 2024 10:59:01 GMT
the average price on energy was £1834 last October , this year its £1717. £117 saving , on an "average " bill , just over 6 % . Squeezie is telling us he has saved nearly 25 % . Andrew is waffling , and not disclosing much after his wage freeze error , which he doesn't want to discuss anymore. I haven't made an error over my wage freeze. I've simply pointed out that in spite of my wage freeze, I'm better off because my costs have come down. This really isn't a difficult concept. 🫠 Andrew how are you better off than this time last year ? ive had a wage freeze. the only cost I see that has come down of your three examples is your mortgage being paid off . As I said why mention a wage freeze? it make no sense either as a direct answer , or in context to being better off financially ). You are better off because you paid your mortgage off .End of story , and thats all you had to say , but didnt. , and chose to over elaborate with gobbledygook. Then whined us thickos on the forum cant understand your gobbledygook.  |
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Post by thomas on Nov 17, 2024 11:01:59 GMT
it doesn't. we are talking about marginal figures on gas and electricity bills , for example my own bill in real terms has increased £1.35 per month on this time last November , albeit im not with another energy supplier. Where in that graph does it show a saving of 25% as squeezie is claiming on energy bills from this October to last October. That's a more complicated piece of maths as that depends on the individual and what they use and when they use it. For example I'm on Economy 7 electric, but also have solar panels. So I can run things like dishwasher or washing machine when the sun is shining, or in the Winter overnight, for little to no cost. So if the unit cost of electric goes up, it's not that big a deal, but if the standing charge halves, that's a saving. The biggest cost though is the unit charge of gas, and as you point out that has had a significant fall, so the more gas usage you have, the bigger the saving. when did you get the solar panels installed? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 17, 2024 11:45:47 GMT
That's a more complicated piece of maths as that depends on the individual and what they use and when they use it. For example I'm on Economy 7 electric, but also have solar panels. So I can run things like dishwasher or washing machine when the sun is shining, or in the Winter overnight, for little to no cost. So if the unit cost of electric goes up, it's not that big a deal, but if the standing charge halves, that's a saving. The biggest cost though is the unit charge of gas, and as you point out that has had a significant fall, so the more gas usage you have, the bigger the saving. when did you get the solar panels installed? 2013. I get government FIT payments for my electric generation. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 17, 2024 11:53:46 GMT
the average price on energy was £1834 last October , this year its £1717. £117 saving , on an "average " bill , just over 6 % . Squeezie is telling us he has saved nearly 25 % . Andrew is waffling , and not disclosing much after his wage freeze error , which he doesn't want to discuss anymore. No,no it all makes sense you are better off, so pensioners will not need any help, they aren't much use anyway. Chips for tea! |
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Post by sheepy on Nov 17, 2024 14:10:34 GMT
Answers on a postcard to Andrew.
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Post by honestjohn on Nov 17, 2024 15:40:38 GMT
No,no it all makes sense you are better off, so pensioners will not need any help, they aren't much use anyway. Chips for tea! If you eat chips you will have the enemy within, which used to be the topic under discussion, until someone paid his mortgage off and joined EON. That's what I got from the thread, anyway. Oh, and lady Islamic Sunday School teachers, live and learn, eh? |
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