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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 15, 2022 1:06:08 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 6:57:06 GMT
Truth hurts does it? Blairites are soft thatcherites. Thatcher herself recognised this. You seem to deny so many truths, is that because they hurt you? The only thing Thatcher liked about Blair / NL is the fact that they were not a Corbynite far-left extremists. They were a moderate party serving the majority of the people. They did more for working people than any Labour government since Clem Attlee's. They pursued thatcherite policies re privatisation, marketisation of the NHS, deregulation of the financial sector, and housing. And to characterise those of us who supported the esssentially social democratic 2017 manifesto as "far left extremists" says a lot about you, all of it ugly. It is a grotesque misrepresentation of which Goebbels would have been proud and the kind of thing you have in common with the likes of the Daily Mail. Yet you keep on doing it like a mantra, which just makes you look wilfully stupid in my eyes. Makes you sound like the kind of gullible tabloid reading idiot we sometimes encounter on the doorstep. If you are the face of Labour today, I'd rather vote for anyone but you. You see those to the left of you as extremist enemies rather than part of a broad church which is why you have lost the support of the genuine left, as opposed to thatcherite pretend lefties like yourself. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 15, 2022 8:48:14 GMT
You seem to deny so many truths, is that because they hurt you? The only thing Thatcher liked about Blair / NL is the fact that they were not a Corbynite far-left extremists. They were a moderate party serving the majority of the people. They did more for working people than any Labour government since Clem Attlee's. They pursued thatcherite policies re privatisation, marketisation of the NHS, deregulation of the financial sector, and housing. And to characterise those of us who supported the esssentially social democratic 2017 manifesto as "far left extremists" says a lot about you, all of it ugly. It is a grotesque misrepresentation of which Goebbels would have been proud and the kind of thing you have in common with the likes of the Daily Mail. Yet you keep on doing it like a mantra, which just makes you look wilfully stupid in my eyes. Makes you sound like the kind of gullible tabloid reading idiot we sometimes encounter on the doorstep. If you are the face of Labour today, I'd rather vote for anyone but you. You see those to the left of you as extremist enemies rather than part of a broad church which is why you have lost the support of the genuine left, as opposed to thatcherite pretend lefties like yourself. IMO there is nothing more ugly than extremists politics whether from the left or the right. EITHER THE UK IS ONE COUNTRY or it is not. Political extremism is divisive, that means that posters like yourself are divisive posters who are perhaps unintentionally but are nevertheless, damaging this country. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 15, 2022 21:37:33 GMT
They pursued thatcherite policies re privatisation, marketisation of the NHS, deregulation of the financial sector, and housing. And to characterise those of us who supported the esssentially social democratic 2017 manifesto as "far left extremists" says a lot about you, all of it ugly. It is a grotesque misrepresentation of which Goebbels would have been proud and the kind of thing you have in common with the likes of the Daily Mail. Yet you keep on doing it like a mantra, which just makes you look wilfully stupid in my eyes. Makes you sound like the kind of gullible tabloid reading idiot we sometimes encounter on the doorstep. If you are the face of Labour today, I'd rather vote for anyone but you. You see those to the left of you as extremist enemies rather than part of a broad church which is why you have lost the support of the genuine left, as opposed to thatcherite pretend lefties like yourself. IMO there is nothing more ugly than extremists politics whether from the left or the right. EITHER THE UK IS ONE COUNTRY or it is not. Political extremism is divisive, that means that posters like yourself are divisive posters who are perhaps unintentionally but are nevertheless, damaging this country. If you actually think I am an extremist you have no fucking clue what an extremist is. You need to be pretty right wing to see me as an extremist. And it is thatcherism that has been damaging the country. And your lot continuing with it has contributed to that damage. Try owning that instead of mislabelling genuine left wingers as extremists |
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Post by see2 on Dec 15, 2022 21:44:43 GMT
IMO there is nothing more ugly than extremists politics whether from the left or the right. EITHER THE UK IS ONE COUNTRY or it is not. Political extremism is divisive, that means that posters like yourself are divisive posters who are perhaps unintentionally but are nevertheless, damaging this country. If you actually think I am an extremist you have no fucking clue what an extremist is. You need to be pretty right wing to see me as an extremist. And it is thatcherism that has been damaging the country. And your lot continuing with it has contributed to that damage. Try owning that instead of mislabelling genuine left wingers as extremists I could never have voted for Thatcher or Corbyn because they are both extremists. If you are pro-Corbyn then you need to wake up because you are an extremist. Corby wanted a revolution not a united country. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 15, 2022 21:51:59 GMT
If you actually think I am an extremist you have no fucking clue what an extremist is. You need to be pretty right wing to see me as an extremist. And it is thatcherism that has been damaging the country. And your lot continuing with it has contributed to that damage. Try owning that instead of mislabelling genuine left wingers as extremists I could never have voted for Thatcher or Corbyn because they are both extremists. If you are pro-Corbyn then you need to wake up because you are an extremist. Corby wanted a revolution not a united country. And now there are millions who wouldn't mind a revolution; have you polished your pikestaff? |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 15, 2022 22:25:43 GMT
They pursued thatcherite policies re privatisation, marketisation of the NHS, deregulation of the financial sector, and housing. And to characterise those of us who supported the esssentially social democratic 2017 manifesto as "far left extremists" says a lot about you, all of it ugly. It is a grotesque misrepresentation of which Goebbels would have been proud and the kind of thing you have in common with the likes of the Daily Mail. Yet you keep on doing it like a mantra, which just makes you look wilfully stupid in my eyes. Makes you sound like the kind of gullible tabloid reading idiot we sometimes encounter on the doorstep. If you are the face of Labour today, I'd rather vote for anyone but you. You see those to the left of you as extremist enemies rather than part of a broad church which is why you have lost the support of the genuine left, as opposed to thatcherite pretend lefties like yourself. IMO there is nothing more ugly than extremists politics whether from the left or the right. EITHER THE UK IS ONE COUNTRY or it is not. Political extremism is divisive, that means that posters like yourself are divisive posters who are perhaps unintentionally but are nevertheless, damaging this country. I don't believe that srb7677 is an extremist - he is a socialist which actually used to be a pretty mainstream belief back in the day. Whilst I dont agree with much of his views I can say that it is an opinion that I have heard hundreds of times over the years. Labour used to be a Socialist Party - Blair dragged it to being a neoliberalist party and the Party left its supporters behind. So they are bound to be rather sour. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 6:21:30 GMT
If you actually think I am an extremist you have no fucking clue what an extremist is. You need to be pretty right wing to see me as an extremist. And it is thatcherism that has been damaging the country. And your lot continuing with it has contributed to that damage. Try owning that instead of mislabelling genuine left wingers as extremists I could never have voted for Thatcher or Corbyn because they are both extremists. If you are pro-Corbyn then you need to wake up because you are an extremist. Corby wanted a revolution not a united country. I am pro the 2017 manifesto policies and if you think they are extreme you have no clue what extreme is. And your beloved centrists continued with many thatcherite policies particularly re housing and deregulation, contributing to the 2008 crash and doing nothing whilst in power to solve the housing crisis. It is a disgrace that after 13 years of Labour in office tenants could still be evicted for no reason. And Corbyn is not an extremist by the way, just a democratic socialist. Trotsky was an extremist. Lenin was an extremist. Stalin was an extremist. To liken Corbyn to them is absolutely pathetic and frankly utterly stupid. You are doing a good impression of an idiot right now so apologies if I mistake you for one. Because to regard anything to the left of Blair as extremist truly is both ignorant and stupid. You appear to be labelling anything you don't like as extremist which is an abuse of the word. And to say that Corbyn wanted a revolution is a laughable lie. He believed in democracy. Are you that dishonest? Or simply that deluded? It is like trying to debate with someone inhabiting a parallel universe scripted by the Daily Mail. lol |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 16, 2022 6:47:39 GMT
IMO there is nothing more ugly than extremists politics whether from the left or the right. EITHER THE UK IS ONE COUNTRY or it is not. Political extremism is divisive, that means that posters like yourself are divisive posters who are perhaps unintentionally but are nevertheless, damaging this country. I don't believe that srb7677 is an extremist - he is a socialist which actually used to be a pretty mainstream belief back in the day. Whilst I dont agree with much of his views I can say that it is an opinion that I have heard hundreds of times over the years. Labour used to be a Socialist Party - Blair dragged it to being a neoliberalist party and the Party left its supporters behind. So they are bound to be rather sour. Thank you. We often have our disagreements, but you at least seem to understand that there is nothing inherently extremist about democratic socialism, let alone social democracy, however much you personally may disagree with either. Curious how it always seems to be Labour centrists and Blairites who are most prone to mislabelling the left in that way. I think this says something about their psychology in terms of their inherent intolerance and insecurity. Certainly I remember from my time in the party that they saw the left as a greater enemy than the Tories and thus sought to undermine their own party from within when a genuine socialist was in charge. They were quite prepared to sink the ship to kill the captain. In the parliamentary party, a couple of them upon standing down in 2019 urged their constituents to vote Tory. Another bunch led by Chukka Umunna resigned from the party to openly challenge it. We on the left know their mindsets from our time in the party. They hate us and cannot think rationally about us. What I and many other socialists and left leaning social democrats learned about the party from our time in it is that it is not something we can ever again support or vote for. Many centrists are simply unprincipled scoundrels in it for themselves and perfectly willing to lie and cheat to get what they want. I have seen their thinking and behaviour up close and personal at the local level. Being in the party really was an eye opener. Labour is run by worse scoundrels than you can know. Were I to go into detail about everything I have seen and heard, it would be an excruciatingly long post, damning but perhaps unsurprising. Incidentally, he calls Thatcher an extremist too. Much as I disagreed with the woman and even actively disliked her, she is not an extremist either. To call her a right wing extremist would be to put her alongside the likes of Hitler and Mussolini which would be ridiculous. (Mind you, her friendship with Pinochet was a bit dodgy, though I guess similar could be said for Corbyn's liking for Hugo Chavez, lol) |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 16, 2022 7:33:52 GMT
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 16, 2022 7:59:21 GMT
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 16, 2022 8:10:33 GMT
No mention of bombing the shit out of Iraq? |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 16, 2022 8:20:22 GMT
No mention of bombing the shit out of Iraq? Why would you call that a achevement ? |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 16, 2022 8:21:42 GMT
No mention of bombing the shit out of Iraq? I was smiling, they certainly achieved a lot more strife home and abroad. Than their list of achievements ever let on. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 16, 2022 8:24:56 GMT
No mention of bombing the shit out of Iraq? Why would you call that a achevement ? It saved us from being just 45 minutes away from nuclear annihilation - it was definitely an achievement.. |
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