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Post by Pacifico on Dec 12, 2022 17:28:15 GMT
If you had left it to the membership they would never have got rid of Johnson. The stupidity of which would itself have doomed you to defeat. Every Joe and his grandad could see what a liability he had become with his blatant lying and total lack of integrity, both of which had become obvious to all. Except that is the old fools who make up the bulk of the membership. I dont know what you mean by 'you' - as far as I am aware there is only one member of the Tory Party on this forum and it isn't me..  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2022 22:32:00 GMT
The stupidity of which would itself have doomed you to defeat. Every Joe and his grandad could see what a liability he had become with his blatant lying and total lack of integrity, both of which had become obvious to all. Except that is the old fools who make up the bulk of the membership. I dont know what you mean by 'you' - as far as I am aware there is only one member of the Tory Party on this forum and it isn't me.. You do a very convincing impression of one. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 12, 2022 22:38:58 GMT
I dont know what you mean by 'you' - as far as I am aware there is only one member of the Tory Party on this forum and it isn't me.. You do a very convincing impression of one. If convincing is pointing out the errors in your argument then I plead guilty. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2022 6:39:38 GMT
You do a very convincing impression of one. If convincing is pointing out the errors in your argument then I plead guilty. The fact that you seem to regard what the membership wants as more important than what the country wants was rather convincing, as it is typically how party members of any party tend to think. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 13, 2022 7:40:57 GMT
If convincing is pointing out the errors in your argument then I plead guilty. The fact that you seem to regard what the membership wants as more important than what the country wants was rather convincing, as it is typically how party members of any party tend to think. If you wish to be a successful political party then doing what the membership and supporters want is kinda important.. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 13, 2022 21:28:28 GMT
The fact that you seem to regard what the membership wants as more important than what the country wants was rather convincing, as it is typically how party members of any party tend to think. If you wish to be a successful political party then doing what the membership and supporters want is kinda important.. Doing what the public want is rather more important if you ever want to win an election, which you have to do to be a successful political party. When the members want something very different from the people, the people will reject what they choose, as Truss soon discovered. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 13, 2022 21:59:24 GMT
If you wish to be a successful political party then doing what the membership and supporters want is kinda important.. Doing what the public want is rather more important if you ever want to win an election, which you have to do to be a successful political party. When the members want something very different from the people, the people will reject what they choose, as Truss soon discovered. Is that why Labour rejected Socialism - the people didn't want it? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 7:50:38 GMT
Doing what the public want is rather more important if you ever want to win an election, which you have to do to be a successful political party. When the members want something very different from the people, the people will reject what they choose, as Truss soon discovered. Is that why Labour rejected Socialism - the people didn't want it? Most of the 2017 policies were highly popular when polled and were not the reason for defeat. Labour rejected them because the Blairite soft thatcherites didnt like them, neither did the wealthy elites, some of whom the centrists want onside. Because they want their support and their money. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 14, 2022 10:08:28 GMT
Is that why Labour rejected Socialism - the people didn't want it? Most of the 2017 policies were highly popular when polled and were not the reason for defeat. Labour rejected them because the Blairite soft thatcherites didnt like them, neither did the wealthy elites, some of whom the centrists want onside. Because they want their support and their money. The part of politics you miss is that a government is there for the benefit of the people. They are not there for the benefit of the rich like Thatcher's right wing government nor should they be there just for the benefit of the heart on sleeves far left as in the guise of Corbyn. New Labour were there for the benefit of the many not the few. That message got across which is why they were so popular and managed to keep the Tories out of office for 13years. So wash your mouth out after insulting Blairites as soft Thatcherites  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 14, 2022 14:55:18 GMT
Most of the 2017 policies were highly popular when polled and were not the reason for defeat. Labour rejected them because the Blairite soft thatcherites didnt like them, neither did the wealthy elites, some of whom the centrists want onside. Because they want their support and their money. The part of politics you miss is that a government is there for the benefit of the people. They are not there for the benefit of the rich like Thatcher's right wing government nor should they be there just for the benefit of the heart on sleeves far left as in the guise of Corbyn. New Labour were there for the benefit of the many not the few. That message got across which is why they were so popular and managed to keep the Tories out of office for 13years. So wash your mouth out after insulting Blairites as soft Thatcherites Truth hurts does it? Blairites are soft thatcherites. Thatcher herself recognised this. |
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Post by sandypine on Dec 14, 2022 15:21:50 GMT
Most of the 2017 policies were highly popular when polled and were not the reason for defeat. Labour rejected them because the Blairite soft thatcherites didnt like them, neither did the wealthy elites, some of whom the centrists want onside. Because they want their support and their money. The part of politics you miss is that a government is there for the benefit of the people. They are not there for the benefit of the rich like Thatcher's right wing government nor should they be there just for the benefit of the heart on sleeves far left as in the guise of Corbyn. New Labour were there for the benefit of the many not the few. That message got across which is why they were so popular and managed to keep the Tories out of office for 13years. So wash your mouth out after insulting Blairites as soft Thatcherites Would the few have been included in the many after the election and what was the division of the many and the few and would those separations have applied only to UK citizens? I am very much on the side of the few if we are dealing with UK citizens being the few but somehow I do not think that is quite what he meant |
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Post by see2 on Dec 14, 2022 23:05:15 GMT
The part of politics you miss is that a government is there for the benefit of the people. They are not there for the benefit of the rich like Thatcher's right wing government nor should they be there just for the benefit of the heart on sleeves far left as in the guise of Corbyn. New Labour were there for the benefit of the many not the few. That message got across which is why they were so popular and managed to keep the Tories out of office for 13years. So wash your mouth out after insulting Blairites as soft Thatcherites Truth hurts does it? Blairites are soft thatcherites. Thatcher herself recognised this. You seem to deny so many truths, is that because they hurt you? The only thing Thatcher liked about Blair / NL is the fact that they were not a Corbynite far-left extremists. They were a moderate party serving the majority of the people. They did more for working people than any Labour government since Clem Attlee's. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 14, 2022 23:14:41 GMT
The part of politics you miss is that a government is there for the benefit of the people. They are not there for the benefit of the rich like Thatcher's right wing government nor should they be there just for the benefit of the heart on sleeves far left as in the guise of Corbyn. New Labour were there for the benefit of the many not the few. That message got across which is why they were so popular and managed to keep the Tories out of office for 13years. So wash your mouth out after insulting Blairites as soft Thatcherites Would the few have been included in the many after the election and what was the division of the many and the few and would those separations have applied only to UK citizens? I am very much on the side of the few if we are dealing with UK citizens being the few but somehow I do not think that is quite what he meant I can't sort your mind out for you, but Blair/NL Covered the lot between The Left and the Right of politics. without over favoring one over the other. Examples: There was increased education for the state educated and easier access to the NHS and business start-up help with encouragement for entrepreneurs and small businesses. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 14, 2022 23:22:35 GMT
Would the few have been included in the many after the election and what was the division of the many and the few and would those separations have applied only to UK citizens? I am very much on the side of the few if we are dealing with UK citizens being the few but somehow I do not think that is quite what he meant I can't sort your mind out for you, but Blair/NL Covered the lot between The Left and the Right of politics. without over favoring one over the other. Examples: There was increased education for the state educated and easier access to the NHS and business start-up help with encouragement for entrepreneurs and small businesses. I was a benificially of the NEW BUSINESS START SCHEME UNDER NEW LABOUR . |
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Post by borchester on Dec 15, 2022 0:32:28 GMT
I can't sort your mind out for you, but Blair/NL Covered the lot between The Left and the Right of politics. without over favoring one over the other. Examples: There was increased education for the state educated and easier access to the NHS and business start-up help with encouragement for entrepreneurs and small businesses. I was a benificially of the NEW BUSINESS START SCHEME UNDER NEW LABOUR . Which explains why you are the only non Tory cabbie |
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