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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 8:21:45 GMT
I have made it clear to him that I have not referred to him as a far-left extremist. That srb7677 / Corbyn supporter is more extreme than New Labour is a fact. The difference between a Corbyn supporter and a Blair supporter is what our set to is about. You simply call me an extremist when I am not. You have also called Thatcher and Corbyn extremists Corbyn wasn't even a thinking Left-winger he was an extremist naïve Left-winger, even you have mentioned you did not agree with all of his ideas. Was that because some of his ideas were too moderate like those in the party you have spent so much time in the past denigrating, or where they just too far to the left? And Thatcher amongst other extremist actions added 3 million souls to the unemployment count, 3 million children (and their parents) to living in relative poverty, devastated most of the state education system and the NHS while making many of the rich richer. And you, a would be Socialist claim (when it suits you) that she was not an extremist. LOL. As I have posted previously, you need to take a long hard look at yourself. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 8:31:06 GMT
I've to hear your apology for starting it all with you attack on the moderates in the Labour Party. You have proved your extremism with your attacks on the Moderates. Bore off. Your lot are anything but moderate half of the time. More abuse of the English language. And yes I am critical of party centrists and Blairites, as are many others. Being critical of centrists is not a definition of extremism. It is just another way of you saying I need to be on the same page as you politically because if I criticise your politics I must be an extremist. Which is the blatant lie you started with. I will not apologise for opposing Blairism. It is my democratic right and not a license for you to invent lies about me. You pretend lefty thatcherite. lol Understanding the term center-left is obviously beyond your comprehension. I explain Starmer and Blair are MODERATE center-left politicians, and your extremism erupts into a bluster of nonsense. Your post once again lies about my position. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 8:39:50 GMT
You simply call me an extremist when I am not. You have also called Thatcher and Corbyn extremists and appear to view anyone who is not near the centre as an extremist. That is an abuse of the English language and blatantly dishonest. I think the reason why they hate socialism (old school) is because modern western social-ism is financed by corporate fat cats. They look upon the old socialist economic model as obsolete, and that socialism today is nothing more than a bunch of crafted propaganda slogans to control people with.
IMO, none was more extremist than Tony Blair's New Labour - they corrupted the left and right of politics, which is still ongoing.
I don't actually know of anyone who hates Socialism, do you? To call Tony Blair's New Labour extremists who corrupted politics is just childish nonsense opinion by you. An opinion that you do not have a snowball's chance in hell of proving. There is an open forum here if you would like to try. Although you might need to start a new thread. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 8:49:16 GMT
Perhaps the politicians aren't quite as dumb as you appear to think, and there are good reasons why the 'simple' just walk away hasn't happened. I don’t buy that at all. Fact is Cameron only put up the offer as a carrot to be rid of the Clegg consortium who were of course dyed in the wool federalists and have been from day one. Cameron clearly felt he would be going over to tell the EU we were staying in on his ‘revised’ terms so they could count on continuing to milk us dry The reality of the Friday morning hit him like a brick and he ran off. The woman we got as a replacement was a joke. The situation we are in is down to the fact no one in the government or the opposition wanted to implement the will of the people. Which is why they were both happy to use Cleggs Zombification of parliament in his five year term bill to screw the right of the PM to take the issue to the people. It would have been so much easier uf the 2014 Scottish indyref has gone the other way. Breaking the UK into two countries would have seen us forcibly ejected as Barosso pointed out, and the 2014 view of the people was far more eurosceptic than 52/48 and we wouldn’t have needed to bother with the Scottish Poison Dwarf. I recall one of the improvements Cameron got from the EU which was to be implemented if remain had won the referendum. Which was that child support would be paid at the rate in the migrants home country, not at UK rates. As you disagreed with my post, are you saying that the UK should just have walked away from the EU after the referendum? |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 27, 2022 8:54:33 GMT
I think the reason why they hate socialism (old school) is because modern western social-ism is financed by corporate fat cats. They look upon the old socialist economic model as obsolete, and that socialism today is nothing more than a bunch of crafted propaganda slogans to control people with.
IMO, none was more extremist than Tony Blair's New Labour - they corrupted the left and right of politics, which is still ongoing.
I don't actually know of anyone who hates Socialism, do you? To call Tony Blair's New Labour extremists who corrupted politics is just childish nonsense opinion by you. An opinion that you do not have a snowball's chance in hell of proving. There is an open forum here if you would like to try. Although you might need to start a new thread. Millions dislike political socialism and more and more people are rightfully rejecting the main parties. We long ago reached the stage where Parliament was capable of running this country. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 27, 2022 8:56:06 GMT
Bore off. Your lot are anything but moderate half of the time. More abuse of the English language. And yes I am critical of party centrists and Blairites, as are many others. Being critical of centrists is not a definition of extremism. It is just another way of you saying I need to be on the same page as you politically because if I criticise your politics I must be an extremist. Which is the blatant lie you started with. I will not apologise for opposing Blairism. It is my democratic right and not a license for you to invent lies about me. You pretend lefty thatcherite. lol Understanding the term center-left is obviously beyond your comprehension. I explain Starmer and Blair are MODERATE center-left politicians, and your extremism erupts into a bluster of nonsense. Your post once again lies about my position. Blair was a charlatan and Starmer, like the man he replaced, is an idiot. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 10:59:02 GMT
I don't actually know of anyone who hates Socialism, do you? To call Tony Blair's New Labour extremists who corrupted politics is just childish nonsense opinion by you. An opinion that you do not have a snowball's chance in hell of proving. There is an open forum here if you would like to try. Although you might need to start a new thread. Millions dislike political socialism and more and more people are rightfully rejecting the main parties. We long ago reached the stage where Parliament was capable of running this country. What has that got to do with my post that you replied to? |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 10:59:54 GMT
Understanding the term center-left is obviously beyond your comprehension. I explain Starmer and Blair are MODERATE center-left politicians, and your extremism erupts into a bluster of nonsense. Your post once again lies about my position. Blair was a charlatan and Starmer, like the man he replaced, is an idiot. In your opinion LOL. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 27, 2022 11:31:50 GMT
Blair was a charlatan and Starmer, like the man he replaced, is an idiot. In your opinion LOL. Not just my opinion but well shared. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 27, 2022 11:33:52 GMT
Millions dislike political socialism and more and more people are rightfully rejecting the main parties. We long ago reached the stage where Parliament was capable of running this country. What has that got to do with my post that you replied to? Perhaps it's too early in the morning for you. Set your alarm for 6am and I'll explain.   |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 11:34:52 GMT
Not just my opinion but well shared. So, in the opinion of many. Just not a provable opinion. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 27, 2022 11:36:59 GMT
What has that got to do with my post that you replied to? Perhaps it's too early in the morning for you. Set your alarm for 6am and I'll explain. It is obviously too early in the morning for yourself  |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2022 15:27:14 GMT
Because I regard labelling me as an extremist to be a blatant lie and not just a matter of opinion. Here is a dictionary definition of "extremist".... a person who holds extreme political or religious views, especially one who advocates illegal, violent, or other extreme action
To accuse me of that is a blatant lie. It is a total distortion and a slur. And your contribution only exacerbates the situation. Ignore it and eventually he'll either get bored or I will just tell him to fuck off cos I am not interested anymore. But that moment will arrive when he or I want it to, not at your dictation. As a Corbyn supporter who spends so much of your time denigrating the moderates in the Labour Party along with your distortions of my posts and the lies you post about me, you have proved yourself to be both an extremist and a liar. You have proven yourself to be both a liar abnd an ignoramus who doesnt understand the English language. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2022 15:30:55 GMT
You simply call me an extremist when I am not. You have also called Thatcher and Corbyn extremists Corbyn wasn't even a thinking Left-winger he was an extremist naïve Left-winger, even you have mentioned you did not agree with all of his ideas. Was that because some of his ideas were too moderate like those in the party you have spent so much time in the past denigrating, or where they just too far to the left? And Thatcher amongst other extremist actions added 3 million souls to the unemployment count, 3 million children (and their parents) to living in relative poverty, devastated most of the state education system and the NHS while making many of the rich richer. And you, a would be Socialist claim (when it suits you) that she was not an extremist. LOL. As I have posted previously, you need to take a long hard look at yourself. You are boring me and probably everyone else now with your repetitive and blatantly dishonest shit. And I am contributing to the general boredom by wasting my precious time trying to be reasonable with you. Your lot don't do reason. You do witch hunts and smears, as you yourself are demonstrating. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2022 15:32:42 GMT
Bore off. Your lot are anything but moderate half of the time. More abuse of the English language. And yes I am critical of party centrists and Blairites, as are many others. Being critical of centrists is not a definition of extremism. It is just another way of you saying I need to be on the same page as you politically because if I criticise your politics I must be an extremist. Which is the blatant lie you started with. I will not apologise for opposing Blairism. It is my democratic right and not a license for you to invent lies about me. You pretend lefty thatcherite. lol Understanding the term center-left is obviously beyond your comprehension. I explain Starmer and Blair are MODERATE center-left politicians, and your extremism erupts into a bluster of nonsense. Your post once again lies about my position. And you once again lie about me, so there we are. Getting nowhere. |
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