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Post by see2 on Dec 20, 2022 9:21:33 GMT
Interesting that a thread on the Reform Party is now on page 14, but the party hasn't been mentioned since page 3. It's almost as if they are irrelevant... This thread has been derailed by the chuckle brothers trying to call me an extremist and myself denying this false charge and seeking to expose the attempted false narrative agenda involved. But my mini debate with them is starting to grow most tiresome. It is like trying to debate with the inhabitants of a parallel universe. In the full scenarios of political parties, there is no Centre Party, moderation is far more noticeable amongst the centre left and centre right politicians. When we get to the likes of Corbyn and Thatcher they are more politically extreme in their views. If you are a supporter of Corbyn then you support some of his extremism. So your Pussy Cat lefty nonsense is if anything what has caused the thread to be derailed. IMO informed Moderates would not vote for either Corbyn or Thatcher. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 20, 2022 9:57:48 GMT
I know you're a bit of a supporter, but even your own experience is poor. Whilst we do currently have a malaise, if Reform Party is the answer, you're asking the wrong question. Currently have a malaise, we've had a malaise forever. Perhaps you should read the thread concerning EU bribery which has now taken in far wider political shenanigans; corruption and the distorted politics that accompany it cannot be described as serving the peoples of the world. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2022 22:43:24 GMT
Blairites are as often right of centre than left of it. And they define themselves as being in the centre. And what is moderate about thatcherite economics which New Labour has bought into? And the self-description as moderates is typical Blairite goalpost shifting and mislabelling designed to enable anyone to the left of them to be falsely labelled an extremist. Tell me, what is moderate about building fewer council houses than Thatcher? What is moderate about introducing tuition fees? What is moderate about the continuation of thatcherite housing policies? What is moderate about detention without trial? What is moderate about the Iraq War? You are abusing false labels to serve your disingenuous purposes. In reality, giving tenants security of tenure and rent control is moderate. Abolition of tuition fees is moderate. A real living wage is moderate. Building more council houses is moderate. Yet you seem to think this is extremist whilst the Iraq War and detention without trial is moderate. Utter bollocks. You are more extreme than I am! Your Left wing bias based opinions are noted and seen for what they are. Sadly typical of the left you turn to insinuated lies as is your comment on the Iraq war and detention without trial lies. Without this sort of nonsense the less moderate people on the left would have nothing to say. A moderate government understands that they are governing "for the many not the few". Lefties like yourself don't understand moderate government. New Labour did more for working people than any Old Labour government since Clem Attlee. N L Built far more 'affordable homes' than Thatcher, that fact was discussed reasonably recently on this forum. If you must post left wing tirades at least attempt to get your facts right. Bore off. I am tired of your rubbish. You are subverting the word moderate in an attempt to claim that the centrists are the moderate ones when they have often been far from it. Abusing the meaning of plain English to establish a false narrative is all part of the Blairite/centrist modus operandi. You claim to have done much for working people. Does that include the ones who are private tenants? And the ones you allowed to have their pay driven down by cheap imported labour? Or the ones on proliferating zero hours contracts? Or the ones who couldnt get social housing? What you did in 13 years was nowhere near enough. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2022 22:51:18 GMT
This thread has been derailed by the chuckle brothers trying to call me an extremist and myself denying this false charge and seeking to expose the attempted false narrative agenda involved. But my mini debate with them is starting to grow most tiresome. It is like trying to debate with the inhabitants of a parallel universe. In the full scenarios of political parties, there is no Centre Party, moderation is far more noticeable amongst the centre left and centre right politicians. When we get to the likes of Corbyn and Thatcher they are more politically extreme in their views. If you are a supporter of Corbyn then you support some of his extremism. So your Pussy Cat lefty nonsense is if anything what has caused the thread to be derailed. IMO informed Moderates would not vote for either Corbyn or Thatcher. Absolute bollocks. Anyone who opposed the moderate 2017 manifesto but supported the continuation of Tory housing policies, detention without trial, and the Iraq War, cannot credibly claim to be the moderate ones. You are attempting to redefine the meaning of the English language in pursuit of a false narrative. Perhaps you are the extremist but don't realise it? You are certainly highly intolerant of differing views and desire to mislabel them as extremist because you don't like them. You are not convincing me and I doubt you are convincing anyone else either, except perhaps your fellow chuckle brother whose latest appearance is overdue |
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Post by see2 on Dec 20, 2022 23:10:26 GMT
Your Left wing bias based opinions are noted and seen for what they are. Sadly typical of the left you turn to insinuated lies as is your comment on the Iraq war and detention without trial lies. Without this sort of nonsense the less moderate people on the left would have nothing to say. A moderate government understands that they are governing "for the many not the few". Lefties like yourself don't understand moderate government. New Labour did more for working people than any Old Labour government since Clem Attlee. N L Built far more 'affordable homes' than Thatcher, that fact was discussed reasonably recently on this forum. If you must post left wing tirades at least attempt to get your facts right. Bore off. I am tired of your rubbish. You are subverting the word moderate in an attempt to claim that the centrists are the moderate ones when they have often been far from it. Abusing the meaning of plain English to establish a false narrative is all part of the Blairite/centrist modus operandi. You claim to have done much for working people. Does that include the ones who are private tenants? And the ones you allowed to have their pay driven down by cheap imported labour? Or the ones on proliferating zero hours contracts? Or the ones who couldnt get social housing? What you did in 13 years was nowhere near enough. You are so biased you do not even understand Blair's words "for the many, not the few", the words include many on the left of politics, AND many on the right of politics BECAUSE IN BOTH CASES THEY ARE PART OF SOCIETY. In your extremism you ignore that obvious fact. No government has a magic wand, it still has to govern for most of the people. I suggest you go away and have a think and come back when you have stopped posting your biased opinions and can post a grown up post. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 20, 2022 23:14:39 GMT
In the full scenarios of political parties, there is no Centre Party, moderation is far more noticeable amongst the centre left and centre right politicians. When we get to the likes of Corbyn and Thatcher they are more politically extreme in their views. If you are a supporter of Corbyn then you support some of his extremism. So your Pussy Cat lefty nonsense is if anything what has caused the thread to be derailed. IMO informed Moderates would not vote for either Corbyn or Thatcher. Absolute bollocks. Anyone who opposed the moderate 2017 manifesto but supported the continuation of Tory housing policies, detention without trial, and the Iraq War, cannot credibly claim to be the moderate ones. You are attempting to redefine the meaning of the English language in pursuit of a false narrative. Perhaps you are the extremist but don't realise it? You are certainly highly intolerant of differing views and desire to mislabel them as extremist because you don't like them. You are not convincing me and I doubt you are convincing anyone else either, except perhaps your fellow chuckle brother whose latest appearance is overdue Anyone who posts the garbage you post ^^^ has no credibility. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 21:38:28 GMT
Bore off. I am tired of your rubbish. You are subverting the word moderate in an attempt to claim that the centrists are the moderate ones when they have often been far from it. Abusing the meaning of plain English to establish a false narrative is all part of the Blairite/centrist modus operandi. You claim to have done much for working people. Does that include the ones who are private tenants? And the ones you allowed to have their pay driven down by cheap imported labour? Or the ones on proliferating zero hours contracts? Or the ones who couldnt get social housing? What you did in 13 years was nowhere near enough. You are so biased you do not even understand Blair's words "for the many, not the few", the words include many on the left of politics, AND many on the right of politics BECAUSE IN BOTH CASES THEY ARE PART OF SOCIETY. In your extremism you ignore that obvious fact. No government has a magic wand, it still has to govern for most of the people. I suggest you go away and have a think and come back when you have stopped posting your biased opinions and can post a grown up post. So you are not biased? Go away. You are boring me now with your incessant crap. And so typical of Blairites imagining that they are the grown ups and everyone who disagrees isn't. The arrogance of you and your ilk is rather breathtaking |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 21, 2022 21:42:02 GMT
Absolute bollocks. Anyone who opposed the moderate 2017 manifesto but supported the continuation of Tory housing policies, detention without trial, and the Iraq War, cannot credibly claim to be the moderate ones. You are attempting to redefine the meaning of the English language in pursuit of a false narrative. Perhaps you are the extremist but don't realise it? You are certainly highly intolerant of differing views and desire to mislabel them as extremist because you don't like them. You are not convincing me and I doubt you are convincing anyone else either, except perhaps your fellow chuckle brother whose latest appearance is overdue Anyone who posts the garbage you post ^^^ has no credibility. In view of your contributions you clearly have no sense of irony. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 21, 2022 21:52:43 GMT
You are so biased you do not even understand Blair's words "for the many, not the few", the words include many on the left of politics, AND many on the right of politics BECAUSE IN BOTH CASES THEY ARE PART OF SOCIETY. In your extremism you ignore that obvious fact. No government has a magic wand, it still has to govern for most of the people. I suggest you go away and have a think and come back when you have stopped posting your biased opinions and can post a grown up post. So you are not biased? Go away. You are boring me now with your incessant crap. And so typical of Blairites imagining that they are the grown ups and everyone who disagrees isn't. The arrogance of you and your ilk is rather breathtaking You are out on the left wing of politics, yet you think you are superior to the other 70% of political opinion even though you are shown time and time again at elections that you are wrong. It is your left wing arrogance that is the problem. You should at least be able to recognise your Big Whinge approach to politics. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2022 5:11:34 GMT
So you are not biased? Go away. You are boring me now with your incessant crap. And so typical of Blairites imagining that they are the grown ups and everyone who disagrees isn't. The arrogance of you and your ilk is rather breathtaking You are out on the left wing of politics, yet you think you are superior to the other 70% of political opinion even though you are shown time and time again at elections that you are wrong. It is your left wing arrogance that is the problem. You should at least be able to recognise your Big Whinge approach to politics. If you think you represent 70 percent of political opinion, you are deluding yourself. In any case, this so-called debate between us is becoming increasingly acrimonious and therefore pointless, whilst everyone else has left the thread. I suggest we call it quits because neither of us is going to change each other's or anyone elses' minds and I know I have better things to do with my time and you probably do too. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2022 7:33:06 GMT
Incidentally, "for the many and not the few" was the mantra under Corbyn rather than Blair, because we on the left genuinely believe in governing for the many and not just the wealthy elites. The Blairites prefer to be in bed with the latter and will allow themselves to be bought by them. They always have done. Blair himself is part of the wealthy elite.
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Post by see2 on Dec 22, 2022 11:03:37 GMT
You are out on the left wing of politics, yet you think you are superior to the other 70% of political opinion even though you are shown time and time again at elections that you are wrong. It is your left wing arrogance that is the problem. You should at least be able to recognise your Big Whinge approach to politics. If you think you represent 70 percent of political opinion, you are deluding yourself. In any case, this so-called debate between us is becoming increasingly acrimonious and therefore pointless, whilst everyone else has left the thread. I suggest we call it quits because neither of us is going to change each other's or anyone elses' minds and I know I have better things to do with my time and you probably do too. __ "If you think you represent 70 percent of political opinion, you are deluding yourself."__ That is the sort of nonsense comment ^^ that makes attempted debate with you impossible. Blair introduced the the term "for the many not the few" and meant it, Corbyn hijacked the saying and meant it for those on the less moderate left. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2022 13:43:13 GMT
If you think you represent 70 percent of political opinion, you are deluding yourself. In any case, this so-called debate between us is becoming increasingly acrimonious and therefore pointless, whilst everyone else has left the thread. I suggest we call it quits because neither of us is going to change each other's or anyone elses' minds and I know I have better things to do with my time and you probably do too. __ "If you think you represent 70 percent of political opinion, you are deluding yourself."__ That is the sort of nonsense comment ^^ that makes attempted debate with you impossible. Blair introduced the the term "for the many not the few" and meant it, Corbyn hijacked the saying and meant it for those on the less moderate left. Corbyn genuinely meant it, desiring to help all those millions New Labour and the Tories left behind. Private tenants. Young people being lumbered with student debt. Exploited workers on zero hours contracts. Families in need of council houses. And the 70% was your figure not mine. I just took your figure and ran with it. |
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Post by Vinny on Dec 22, 2022 15:13:42 GMT
__ "If you think you represent 70 percent of political opinion, you are deluding yourself."__ That is the sort of nonsense comment ^^ that makes attempted debate with you impossible. Blair introduced the the term "for the many not the few" and meant it, Corbyn hijacked the saying and meant it for those on the less moderate left. Corbyn genuinely meant it, desiring to help all those millions New Labour and the Tories left behind. Private tenants. Young people being lumbered with student debt. Exploited workers on zero hours contracts. Families in need of council houses. And the 70% was your figure not mine. I just took your figure and ran with it. Corbyn genuinely fucked up, in the biggest way he let the remoaners of his party make him unelectable. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2022 17:44:25 GMT
Corbyn genuinely meant it, desiring to help all those millions New Labour and the Tories left behind. Private tenants. Young people being lumbered with student debt. Exploited workers on zero hours contracts. Families in need of council houses. And the 70% was your figure not mine. I just took your figure and ran with it. Corbyn genuinely fucked up, in the biggest way he let the remoaners of his party make him unelectable. And the irony is they're now the ones in charge. |
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