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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2022 18:40:08 GMT
You posted "So anyone who is not a centrist is an extremist?" That is an insinuated lie concocted up in your own mind for no other reason than you feel the need to avoid my explanations. It was stated that the less centrist someone is, the more extreme they are. What can this mean other than that anyone who is not a centrist is to some extent an extremist? Are you two chuckle brothers - aka see 2 and to the left - even listening to yourselves let alone anyone else? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2022 21:26:28 GMT
A bit ironic its true, when they are calling themselves centrist which is obviously complete bollox and are using it as a revenge attack on anyone who refuses to vote for them. There are some very strange people running liebour HQ. Which just happens to be around 80% of the population, which we were told if we wanted direct democracy we would need over 70% for it to be fair. I have never referred to myself, and I am not a "centrist", so yours and his posts are a load of bollox. Only the very immature use terms like liebour for Labour, nice to see your immaturity posted so clearly by you  Yet you have said that the further from the centre someone is, the more extreme they are. So if you yourself are not a centrist does that make you an extremist? You see, it is possible to be well to the left or the right of centre without being an extremist. Your abuse of the word to mislabel people like me an extremist falls apart under scrutiny and ends up digging a hole for yourself to fall into. Just because I am to the left of you does not make me extremist. I know full well that Blairites like to label anyone to the left of them in pejorative ways, eg far left, extreme left, extremist, trot, commie, and all the rest. So you obviously hate true left wing progressives so much that you need to see us as extremists. Your conduct against us in the party makes that especially clear. But such mislabelling is politically motivated bollocks. You need to stop calling reasonable and reasoned opinions extremist just to suit your loaded agenda. It is an overt attempt to set up a false narrative which shifts the overton window to the right so that anything to the left of you becomes unacceptable. This makes Blairite Labour complicit with the Tories in their desire to shift the UK rightwards and shut down the left completely. You are either consciously aware of this or are one of the Blairites' useful idiots. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 19, 2022 10:13:21 GMT
You posted "So anyone who is not a centrist is an extremist?" That is an insinuated lie concocted up in your own mind for no other reason than you feel the need to avoid my explanations. It was stated that the less centrist someone is, the more extreme they are. What can this mean other than that anyone who is not a centrist is to some extent an extremist? Are you two chuckle brothers - aka see 2 and to the left - even listening to yourselves let alone anyone else? I did post that the further from the centre of politics one goes the more extreme they become. That is an undeniable fact regardless of whether it is to the right or the left of politics. I have never used the word centrist so please do try to put a slant on my post that I didn't use. If you insist on posting stupidity I will start to fight fire with fire, even though I don't like the thought of dropping down to your level of posting. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 19, 2022 10:17:20 GMT
I have never referred to myself, and I am not a "centrist", so yours and his posts are a load of bollox. Only the very immature use terms like liebour for Labour, nice to see your immaturity posted so clearly by you Yet you have said that the further from the centre someone is, the more extreme they are. So if you yourself are not a centrist does that make you an extremist? You see, it is possible to be well to the left or the right of centre without being an extremist. Your abuse of the word to mislabel people like me an extremist falls apart under scrutiny and ends up digging a hole for yourself to fall into. Just because I am to the left of you does not make me extremist. I know full well that Blairites like to label anyone to the left of them in pejorative ways, eg far left, extreme left, extremist, trot, commie, and all the rest. So you obviously hate true left wing progressives so much that you need to see us as extremists. Your conduct against us in the party makes that especially clear. But such mislabelling is politically motivated bollocks. You need to stop calling reasonable and reasoned opinions extremist just to suit your loaded agenda. It is an overt attempt to set up a false narrative which shifts the overton window to the right so that anything to the left of you becomes unacceptable. This makes Blairite Labour complicit with the Tories in their desire to shift the UK rightwards and shut down the left completely. You are either consciously aware of this or are one of the Blairites' useful idiots. What in your opinion is a centrist? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2022 22:46:12 GMT
It was stated that the less centrist someone is, the more extreme they are. What can this mean other than that anyone who is not a centrist is to some extent an extremist? Are you two chuckle brothers - aka see 2 and to the left - even listening to yourselves let alone anyone else? I did post that the further from the centre of politics one goes the more extreme they become. That is an undeniable fact regardless of whether it is to the right or the left of politics. I have never used the word centrist so please do try to put a slant on my post that I didn't use. If you insist on posting stupidity I will start to fight fire with fire, even though I don't like the thought of dropping down to your level of posting. You state again that the further from the centre the more extreme something is. In simple logic this itself is saying that anything that is not in the centre is to some extent extreme. Yet there is broad spectrum of opinion from left to right that it would be dishonest and absurd to describe as extreme, yet you do so with anything to the left of Peter Mandelson. And it is I who have dropped down to your level, challenging your risible lies about me being an extremist. Also you say you are not a centrist. Fair enough. But you also say that the further from the centre the more extreme something is. It therefore follows that if you yourself are not a centrist you must to some extent be an extremist according to your own logic. Certainly more extreme than a centrist by your own logic. Fortunately I do not regard you as an extremist because your supposed logic is bollocks. I do regard you as touting dishonest labelling though. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 19, 2022 22:54:36 GMT
Yet you have said that the further from the centre someone is, the more extreme they are. So if you yourself are not a centrist does that make you an extremist? You see, it is possible to be well to the left or the right of centre without being an extremist. Your abuse of the word to mislabel people like me an extremist falls apart under scrutiny and ends up digging a hole for yourself to fall into. Just because I am to the left of you does not make me extremist. I know full well that Blairites like to label anyone to the left of them in pejorative ways, eg far left, extreme left, extremist, trot, commie, and all the rest. So you obviously hate true left wing progressives so much that you need to see us as extremists. Your conduct against us in the party makes that especially clear. But such mislabelling is politically motivated bollocks. You need to stop calling reasonable and reasoned opinions extremist just to suit your loaded agenda. It is an overt attempt to set up a false narrative which shifts the overton window to the right so that anything to the left of you becomes unacceptable. This makes Blairite Labour complicit with the Tories in their desire to shift the UK rightwards and shut down the left completely. You are either consciously aware of this or are one of the Blairites' useful idiots. What in your opinion is a centrist? A Blairite, people who like to think of themselves as being in the centre, believing that whatever they believe is where the centre is. I am basically adopting their definition of a centrist as they understand it. I think the true centre is often very different, if it is defined as what the majority believe. According to this interpretation, most of Labour's 2017 manifesto was in the centre, though in other areas like immigration and crime and punishment, majority opinion can be much more right wing. Basically though I think the true centre is nowhere near where the Blairites imagine it to be. Though when I use the term I am using the Blairite definition of a centrist as being where they stand politically. I think you are a Blairite based on the evidence so far, and if so that makes you the Blairite definition of a centrist. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 19, 2022 23:04:04 GMT
What in your opinion is a centrist? people who like to think of themselves as being in the centre, believing that whatever they believe is where the centre is. I am basically adopting their definition of a centrist as they understand it. OK then in reality what you are referring to is not "centrist", it is centre-left, i.e. where moderate Labour politicians are. The use of the non-applicable word centrist is why your posts make no sense. Do try again. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 20, 2022 0:00:35 GMT
Interesting that a thread on the Reform Party is now on page 14, but the party hasn't been mentioned since page 3. It's almost as if they are irrelevant...
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2022 0:03:22 GMT
A Blairite, people who like to think of themselves as being in the centre, believing that whatever they believe is where the centre is. I am basically adopting their definition of a centrist as they understand it. OK then in reality what you are referring to is not "centrist", it is centre-left, i.e. where moderate Labour politicians are. The use of the non-applicable word centrist is why your posts make no sense. Do try again. Blairites are as often right of centre than left of it. And they define themselves as being in the centre. And what is moderate about thatcherite economics which New Labour has bought into? And the self-description as moderates is typical Blairite goalpost shifting and mislabelling designed to enable anyone to the left of them to be falsely labelled an extremist. Tell me, what is moderate about building fewer council houses than Thatcher? What is moderate about introducing tuition fees? What is moderate about the continuation of thatcherite housing policies? What is moderate about detention without trial? What is moderate about the Iraq War? You are abusing false labels to serve your disingenuous purposes. In reality, giving tenants security of tenure and rent control is moderate. Abolition of tuition fees is moderate. A real living wage is moderate. Building more council houses is moderate. Yet you seem to think this is extremist whilst the Iraq War and detention without trial is moderate. Utter bollocks. You are more extreme than I am! |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 20, 2022 0:11:37 GMT
Interesting that a thread on the Reform Party is now on page 14, but the party hasn't been mentioned since page 3. It's almost as if they are irrelevant... This thread has been derailed by the chuckle brothers trying to call me an extremist and myself denying this false charge and seeking to expose the attempted false narrative agenda involved. But my mini debate with them is starting to grow most tiresome. It is like trying to debate with the inhabitants of a parallel universe. |
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Post by Toreador on Dec 20, 2022 8:02:22 GMT
Interesting that a thread on the Reform Party is now on page 14, but the party hasn't been mentioned since page 3. It's almost as if they are irrelevant... If British politics proceeds as it has for the past several years, Reform UK may becaome very relevant. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 20, 2022 8:21:39 GMT
I know you're a bit of a supporter, but even your own experience is poor. Whilst we do currently have a malaise, if Reform Party is the answer, you're asking the wrong question.
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 20, 2022 8:25:10 GMT
I know you're a bit of a supporter, but even your own experience is poor. Whilst we do currently have a malaise, if Reform Party is the answer, you're asking the wrong question. Who is the answer? |
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Post by andrewbrown on Dec 20, 2022 8:39:03 GMT
I know you're a bit of a supporter, but even your own experience is poor. Whilst we do currently have a malaise, if Reform Party is the answer, you're asking the wrong question. Who is the answer? I don't think it's about a "who". We've had 3 prime ministers this year. Although they are all very different, none of them seem to be a solution (although Sunak may well turn out to be more competent). I don't actually think it would be that different under Starmer. That to me says it isn't about the personalities themselves, but about the political culture. We have to go with more concensus politics. It's about working together to make better decisions. Richard Tice (and Farage if he chose to come back) are divisive figures (like Boris and Trump) are not a solution. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 20, 2022 9:11:49 GMT
OK then in reality what you are referring to is not "centrist", it is centre-left, i.e. where moderate Labour politicians are. The use of the non-applicable word centrist is why your posts make no sense. Do try again. Blairites are as often right of centre than left of it. And they define themselves as being in the centre. And what is moderate about thatcherite economics which New Labour has bought into? And the self-description as moderates is typical Blairite goalpost shifting and mislabelling designed to enable anyone to the left of them to be falsely labelled an extremist. Tell me, what is moderate about building fewer council houses than Thatcher? What is moderate about introducing tuition fees? What is moderate about the continuation of thatcherite housing policies? What is moderate about detention without trial? What is moderate about the Iraq War? You are abusing false labels to serve your disingenuous purposes. In reality, giving tenants security of tenure and rent control is moderate. Abolition of tuition fees is moderate. A real living wage is moderate. Building more council houses is moderate. Yet you seem to think this is extremist whilst the Iraq War and detention without trial is moderate. Utter bollocks. You are more extreme than I am! Your Left wing bias based opinions are noted and seen for what they are. Sadly typical of the left you turn to insinuated lies as is your comment on the Iraq war and detention without trial lies. Without this sort of nonsense the less moderate people on the left would have nothing to say. A moderate government understands that they are governing "for the many not the few". Lefties like yourself don't understand moderate government. New Labour did more for working people than any Old Labour government since Clem Attlee. N L Built far more 'affordable homes' than Thatcher, that fact was discussed reasonably recently on this forum. If you must post left wing tirades at least attempt to get your facts right. |
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