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Post by Vinny on Dec 22, 2022 17:47:52 GMT
Starmer is no longer a remoaner, he now admits his mistakes.
Or so he says.
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Post by borchester on Dec 22, 2022 17:58:12 GMT
Starmer is no longer a remoaner, he now admits his mistakes. Or so he says.
Starmer will say anything to get into Number Ten.
Right now the government is advocating machining gunning illegal immigrants as they try to cross the Channel, with the result that the Tory and Reform vote has risen and the one for the Labour party has fallen. if things get much worse for the Brothers and Sisters Sir Stodge will be demanding that all right minded Brits carry tea and ammunition to the troops and be allowed to bayonet any immigrants who manage to struggle ashore
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Post by see2 on Dec 22, 2022 18:20:07 GMT
__ "If you think you represent 70 percent of political opinion, you are deluding yourself."__ That is the sort of nonsense comment ^^ that makes attempted debate with you impossible. Blair introduced the the term "for the many not the few" and meant it, Corbyn hijacked the saying and meant it for those on the less moderate left. Corbyn genuinely meant it, desiring to help all those millions New Labour and the Tories left behind. Private tenants. Young people being lumbered with student debt. Exploited workers on zero hours contracts. Families in need of council houses. And the 70% was your figure not mine. I just took your figure and ran with it. I don't know why I reply because you are not capable of seeing outside of your political box. Yon never learn because you have no intention of learning. The 70% was my figure, a figure meant to send a message to you that the Majority of the Electorate do not like or want your Corbynistic extremism. __"Labour made a lot of changes to the tax and benefit system, most notably increasing the generosity of benefits for low-income families with children and pensioners. Tax credits were an important part of this.”__ A government has to make choices, there is no point in winging about some changes while ignoring other changes. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 22, 2022 18:25:29 GMT
Starmer is no longer a remoaner, he now admits his mistakes. Or so he says. If you ignore Pacifico's bias and the bias of some other nonsense posters, there is no reason not to believe Starmer. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 22, 2022 18:36:48 GMT
Starmer is no longer a remoaner, he now admits his mistakes. Or so he says. If you ignore Pacifico's bias and the bias of some other nonsense posters, there is no reason not to believe Starmer. Hey I dont mind that Starmer lies - its the real Socialists who are upset with him. |
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Post by Pacifico on Dec 22, 2022 18:39:52 GMT
Anyway - a cracking description of Starmer in todays Guardian..  “Keir Starmer, the man who said he was Corbyn before revealing himself to be Tony Blair meets Gordon Brittas” |
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Post by see2 on Dec 22, 2022 19:02:09 GMT
Anyway - a cracking description of Starmer in todays Guardian.. “Keir Starmer, the man who said he was Corbyn before revealing himself to be Tony Blair meets Gordon Brittas”Most people are aware of the trend to denigrate ANY opposition to right-wing politics. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2022 19:03:14 GMT
Corbyn genuinely meant it, desiring to help all those millions New Labour and the Tories left behind. Private tenants. Young people being lumbered with student debt. Exploited workers on zero hours contracts. Families in need of council houses. And the 70% was your figure not mine. I just took your figure and ran with it. I don't know why I reply because you are not capable of seeing outside of your political box. Yon never learn because you have no intention of learning. The 70% was my figure, a figure meant to send a message to you that the Majority of the Electorate do not like or want your Corbynistic extremism. __"Labour made a lot of changes to the tax and benefit system, most notably increasing the generosity of benefits for low-income families with children and pensioners. Tax credits were an important part of this.”__ A government has to make choices, there is no point in winging about some changes while ignoring other changes. Our 2017 manifesto offering was hardly extreme outside of the parallel universe you share with the Daily Mail, and most of it was in fact highly popular and not why Labour lost. Corbyn himself was unpopular with older tabloid reading voters but the policies were approved of by large majorities.... www.businessinsider.com/poll-huge-public-support-for-jeremy-corbyns-manifesto-promises-2017-5?r=US&IR=TLarge majorities in favour of most of them, over 70% in some cases. The reality you seem to feel compelled to deny. This is because our policy agenda was not extremist at all in reality. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2022 19:09:16 GMT
Starmer is no longer a remoaner, he now admits his mistakes. Or so he says. He is also a proven liar with a track record of telling those whose votes he wants what they want to hear and doing something completely different once elected. We who were recently party members are very familiar with this, having seen comrades all around us foolish enough to be taken in by his lies. Talk is cheap where a proven liar is concerned. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2022 19:12:23 GMT
Starmer is no longer a remoaner, he now admits his mistakes. Or so he says. If you ignore Pacifico's bias and the bias of some other nonsense posters, there is no reason not to believe Starmer. Errr, his proven track record of lying to get elected is a pretty good reason to doubt him. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 22, 2022 19:14:47 GMT
Anyway - a cracking description of Starmer in todays Guardian.. “Keir Starmer, the man who said he was Corbyn before revealing himself to be Tony Blair meets Gordon Brittas”Most people are aware of the trend to denigrate ANY opposition to right-wing politics. You yourself are part of that trend, lol. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 22, 2022 19:15:13 GMT
I don't know why I reply because you are not capable of seeing outside of your political box. Yon never learn because you have no intention of learning. The 70% was my figure, a figure meant to send a message to you that the Majority of the Electorate do not like or want your Corbynistic extremism. __"Labour made a lot of changes to the tax and benefit system, most notably increasing the generosity of benefits for low-income families with children and pensioners. Tax credits were an important part of this.”__ A government has to make choices, there is no point in winging about some changes while ignoring other changes. Our 2017 manifesto offering was hardly extreme outside of the parallel universe you share with the Daily Mail, and most of it was in fact highly popular and not why Labour lost. Corbyn himself was unpopular with older tabloid reading voters but the policies were approved of by large majorities.... www.businessinsider.com/poll-huge-public-support-for-jeremy-corbyns-manifesto-promises-2017-5?r=US&IR=TLarge majorities in favour of most of them, over 70% in some cases. The reality you seem to feel compelled to deny. This is because our policy agenda was not extremist at all in reality. I share nothing with the Mail. It is an observable fact that extremists from both the left and the right choose to denigrate and insult people with different political opinions. Fool yourself if you must, but reality lays with the election results. And Old Left have come out miserably since 1951 in that area. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 22, 2022 19:16:44 GMT
Starmer is no longer a remoaner, he now admits his mistakes. Or so he says. He is also a proven liar with a track record of telling those whose votes he wants what they want to hear and doing something completely different once elected. We who were recently party members are very familiar with this, having seen comrades all around us foolish enough to be taken in by his lies. Talk is cheap where a proven liar is concerned. Then show the way and stop telling lies. |
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Post by patman post on Dec 22, 2022 19:17:31 GMT
Those campaigning to be Prime Minister — including Starmer — can say almost anything they want. It’s what they do when they get there that counts.
Counting backwards, Truss, Johnson, May and Cameron hove proved disasters for the UK— as was Brown before them.
Only as far back as Blair, Major and Thatcher did the UK prove itself a serious competitor on the world stage…
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Post by see2 on Dec 22, 2022 19:18:30 GMT
Most people are aware of the trend to denigrate ANY opposition to right-wing politics. You yourself are part of that trend, lol. That is another lie, shame on you. |
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