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Post by vlk on Dec 17, 2022 1:25:31 GMT
Does anybody believe that the Iraq-War was Bush's idea? Of course he was needed to rubber stamp it but the decisions which he made were on the level what color of shoes he should wear.
Same with Biden but at least Biden has the excuse of being old and senile.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2022 6:28:14 GMT
Srb7767 Are you sure youre a socalist ive never seen you post anything condemning Sunak or the other conservatives All you seem to post is calling sir keir a lier or call new labour thatcherite no wonder there was so much in fighting when corbyn was in power. Most of the infighting came from your lot constantly plotting and scheming and undermining. And I have often been critical of the Tories. You just havent noticed because I have not been addressing or quoting you at the time. |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 17, 2022 7:29:54 GMT
Srb7767 Are you sure youre a socalist ivealso never seen you post anything condemning Sunak or the other conservatives All you seem to post is calling sir keir a lier or call new labour thatcherite no wonder there was so much in fighting when corbyn was in power. Most of the infighting came from your lot constantly plotting and scheming and undermining. And I have often been critical of the Tories. You just havent noticed because I have not been addressing or quoting you at the time. Ok steve age 57 Ive just read your 52 pages of post like i said you spent most time calling new labour and starmer like i said. Also you spent more time calling the Baby boomers what I agree with . and calling farage what again i agree with . little post calling the torys |
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Post by see2 on Dec 17, 2022 7:48:38 GMT
Srb7767 Are you sure youre a socalist ive never seen you post anything condemning Sunak or the other conservatives All you seem to post is calling sir keir a lier or call new labour thatcherite no wonder there was so much in fighting when corbyn was in power. Most of the infighting came from your lot constantly plotting and scheming and undermining. And I have often been critical of the Tories. You just havent noticed because I have not been addressing or quoting you at the time. During the early period of Corbyn becoming the leader of Labour many of the moderate Labour councilors were bein hounded out of their positions, being verbally attacked, by left wing members of the party. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2022 8:56:58 GMT
Most of the infighting came from your lot constantly plotting and scheming and undermining. And I have often been critical of the Tories. You just havent noticed because I have not been addressing or quoting you at the time. Ok steve age 57 Ive just read your 52 pages of post like i said you spent most time calling new labour and starmer like i said. Also you spent more time calling the Baby boomers what I agree with . and calling farage what again i agree with . little post calling the torys You have read 52 pages of my posts just to try and prove a point? Firstly how pathetically sad. And secondly I don't believe you. It would take a long time to read 52 pages. And clearly you have missed my frequent disagreements with Pacifico about the Tories and their doings. Besides, if you think I have to justify myself to you then you truly are an arrogant git. The obvious reason why the Tories are rarely discussed between you and I is quite obviously simple. We tend to agree on that so there is no debate. I tend to challenge views I disagree with whilst making little comment on the stuff I agree with unless I have something relevant to add to it. And curious how in this thread you yourself spend more time attacking me than the Tories. And I will be critical of you and your lot whenever there is something to be critical about or something to be challenged. You see, to me you are an enemy party too. And it was you who kicked all this off by falsely labelling me an extremist. Or was that your sidekick see 2? Never ever really sure which of you is teeedle dum and which is tweedle dee. I think both your brains were created in the same test tube by doctor Peter Mandelson. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2022 9:16:31 GMT
Most of the infighting came from your lot constantly plotting and scheming and undermining. And I have often been critical of the Tories. You just havent noticed because I have not been addressing or quoting you at the time. During the early period of Corbyn becoming the leader of Labour many of the moderate Labour councilors were bein hounded out of their positions, being verbally attacked, by left wing members of the party. Oh, you mean being challenged in their positions by left wing contenders in democratic party votes and being debated with by people with a more radical view? Heaven forbid. Party democracy and freedom of debate, whatever next? Clearly you cannot allow that. Diktats from the top are clearly the Blairite way. The only ones being hounded out locally in my time in the party for left wingers who aspired to be office holders rather than followers. This has simply intensified now that the soft thatcherites are back in charge. And I will cease labelling you as soft thatcherites and simply limit myself to calling you Blairites or centrists when you stop mislabelling me as an extremist |
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Post by totheleft3 on Dec 17, 2022 9:17:08 GMT
Ok steve age 57 Ive just read your 52 pages of post like i said you spent most time calling new labour and starmer like i said. Also you spent more time calling the Baby boomers what I agree with . and calling farage what again i agree with . little post calling the torys You have read 52 pages of my posts just to try and prove a point? Firstly how pathetically sad. And secondly I don't believe you. It would take a long time to read 52 pages. And clearly you have missed my frequent disagreements with Pacifico about the Tories and their doings. Besides, if you think I have to justify myself to you then you truly are an arrogant git. The obvious reason why the Tories are rarely discussed between you and I is quite obviously simple. We tend to agree on that so there is no debate. I tend to challenge views I disagree with whilst making little comment on the stuff I agree with unless I have something relevant to add to it. And curious how in this thread you yourself spend more time attacking me than the Tories. And I will be critical of you and your lot whenever there is something to be critical about or something to be challenged. You see, to me you are an enemy party too.And it was you who kicked all this off by falsely labelling me an extremist. Or was that your sidekick see 2? Never ever really sure which of you is teeedle dum and which is tweedle dee. I think both your brains were created in the same test tube by doctor Peter Mandelson. Lol thats me public enemy no 1 I know I be voteing labour In 2024 like i have since the age of 18. Would you or will you be voting greens or libdems |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2022 9:58:45 GMT
You have read 52 pages of my posts just to try and prove a point? Firstly how pathetically sad. And secondly I don't believe you. It would take a long time to read 52 pages. And clearly you have missed my frequent disagreements with Pacifico about the Tories and their doings. Besides, if you think I have to justify myself to you then you truly are an arrogant git. The obvious reason why the Tories are rarely discussed between you and I is quite obviously simple. We tend to agree on that so there is no debate. I tend to challenge views I disagree with whilst making little comment on the stuff I agree with unless I have something relevant to add to it. And curious how in this thread you yourself spend more time attacking me than the Tories. And I will be critical of you and your lot whenever there is something to be critical about or something to be challenged. You see, to me you are an enemy party too.And it was you who kicked all this off by falsely labelling me an extremist. Or was that your sidekick see 2? Never ever really sure which of you is teeedle dum and which is tweedle dee. I think both your brains were created in the same test tube by doctor Peter Mandelson. Lol thats me public enemy no 1 I know I be voteing labour In 2024 like i have since the age of 18. Would you or will you be voting greens or libdems FPTP pretty much guarantees that my vote will be pointless where I live. It is a Tory seat with Labour the only effective challengers and I shall be voting for neither. Nevertheless I will still vote for whomever the most progressive of the other candidates are which depends who is standing. Could be TUSC. Could be Green. But in practice it will be little more than a protest vote. Voting for lesser evils just guarantees evil of some description though. If we keep doing that nothing meaningful will ever change. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 17, 2022 10:14:47 GMT
During the early period of Corbyn becoming the leader of Labour many of the moderate Labour councilors were bein hounded out of their positions, being verbally attacked, by left wing members of the party. Oh, you mean being challenged in their positions by left wing contenders in democratic party votes and being debated with by people with a more radical view? Heaven forbid. Party democracy and freedom of debate, whatever next? Clearly you cannot allow that. Diktats from the top are clearly the Blairite way. The only ones being hounded out locally in my time in the party for left wingers who aspired to be office holders rather than followers. This has simply intensified now that the soft thatcherites are back in charge. And I will cease labelling you as soft thatcherites and simply limit myself to calling you Blairites or centrists when you stop mislabelling me as an extremist Don't be silly, I have nothing against NORMAL political actions and aspirations, I am referring to some of the collective work aimed at driving the moderates out of the party never mind just out of their constituencies. There was ceaseless verbal aggression by some Labour lefties against the moderates in some areas for a while. Soft Thatcherites are the moderates, those of the left of them are the more extreme. The further from the centre of politics one moves the more extreme does their politics become. No matter how extreme ones politics become the individual will see it as normal and correct. I'm sure that everyone from Thatcher to Genghis Kahn believed what they were doing was normal and correct. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 17, 2022 21:16:01 GMT
Oh, you mean being challenged in their positions by left wing contenders in democratic party votes and being debated with by people with a more radical view? Heaven forbid. Party democracy and freedom of debate, whatever next? Clearly you cannot allow that. Diktats from the top are clearly the Blairite way. The only ones being hounded out locally in my time in the party for left wingers who aspired to be office holders rather than followers. This has simply intensified now that the soft thatcherites are back in charge. And I will cease labelling you as soft thatcherites and simply limit myself to calling you Blairites or centrists when you stop mislabelling me as an extremist Don't be silly, I have nothing against NORMAL political actions and aspirations, I am referring to some of the collective work aimed at driving the moderates out of the party never mind just out of their constituencies. There was ceaseless verbal aggression by some Labour lefties against the moderates in some areas for a while. Soft Thatcherites are the moderates, those of the left of them are the more extreme. The further from the centre of politics one moves the more extreme does their politics become. No matter how extreme ones politics become the individual will see it as normal and correct. I'm sure that everyone from Thatcher to Genghis Kahn believed what they were doing was normal and correct. So anyone who is not a centrist is an extremist? Jog on and stop talking absolute shite! |
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Post by see2 on Dec 17, 2022 21:28:54 GMT
Don't be silly, I have nothing against NORMAL political actions and aspirations, I am referring to some of the collective work aimed at driving the moderates out of the party never mind just out of their constituencies. There was ceaseless verbal aggression by some Labour lefties against the moderates in some areas for a while. Soft Thatcherites are the moderates, those of the left of them are the more extreme. The further from the centre of politics one moves the more extreme does their politics become. No matter how extreme ones politics become the individual will see it as normal and correct. I'm sure that everyone from Thatcher to Genghis Kahn believed what they were doing was normal and correct. So anyone who is not a centrist is an extremist? Jog on and stop talking absolute shite! I have even bothered to explain my point in previous posts, all I get is ignorance and insult from you. Try opening up your mind you will feel a lot better about things eventually. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2022 7:53:49 GMT
So anyone who is not a centrist is an extremist? Jog on and stop talking absolute shite! Try opening up your mind you will feel a lot better about things eventually. Hahaha, the irony. |
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Post by sheepy on Dec 18, 2022 9:14:41 GMT
Try opening up your mind you will feel a lot better about things eventually. Hahaha, the irony. A bit ironic its true, when they are calling themselves centrist which is obviously complete bollox and are using it as a revenge attack on anyone who refuses to vote for them. There are some very strange people running liebour HQ. Which just happens to be around 80% of the population, which we were told if we wanted direct democracy we would need over 70% for it to be fair. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 18, 2022 9:38:02 GMT
Try opening up your mind you will feel a lot better about things eventually. Hahaha, the irony. You posted "So anyone who is not a centrist is an extremist?" That is an insinuated lie concocted up in your own mind for no other reason than you feel the need to avoid my explanations. |
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Post by see2 on Dec 18, 2022 9:43:31 GMT
A bit ironic its true, when they are calling themselves centrist which is obviously complete bollox and are using it as a revenge attack on anyone who refuses to vote for them. There are some very strange people running liebour HQ. Which just happens to be around 80% of the population, which we were told if we wanted direct democracy we would need over 70% for it to be fair. I have never referred to myself, and I am not a "centrist", so yours and his posts are a load of bollox. Only the very immature use terms like liebour for Labour, nice to see your immaturity posted so clearly by you  |
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