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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 3, 2024 13:07:35 GMT
Labour have been left with only two options given the public outrage. 1. We lied 2 We got it wrong They chose the latter, they were never ever going to admit they lied, which they did. Labour giving a whole new meaning to the word 'Wrong'. As I said elsewhere: We used to have Right and Left.
Now we have Right and Wrong.
And the Wrong 'Uns are really ramping up.
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Post by Rebirth on Nov 3, 2024 13:13:41 GMT
Politics is the art of lying . Labour politicians embrace it as much as the people they claim to hate. It's not really an art. I was on here sharing the fact that Labour will say and do anything for power. I didn't even need to think about it either. Those who are currently supporting Labour embraced the lies and treachery. Even now they're lying about not lying.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 3, 2024 13:14:47 GMT
Politics is the art of lying . Labour politicians embrace it as much as the people they claim to hate. It's not universal. There are some straight politicians around. I quite like Geert Wilders. I think there might have been some OK ones in the Cons as well. One that comes to mind was the farmer who was thrown out for looking at saucy pictures on his phone in parliament instead of listening to the shit being dispatched from the dispatch box. I checked him out and the constituents say he was a great MP, and really knew his stuff. I think he also had a lot of experience in the faming industry, and could have been a helpful addition to the intelligence of that place, but I think there was a purge on. Now all we are left with in that party is on par with Satanists, like child fiddlers and thieves. That's the "Do what thou wilt" philosophy.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2024 13:16:53 GMT
Politics is the art of lying . Labour politicians embrace it as much as the people they claim to hate. It's not really an art. I was on here sharing the fact that Labour will say and do anything for power. I didn't even need to think about it either. Those who are currently supporting Labour embraced the lies and treachery. Even now they're lying about not lying. It’s an art alright and I’ve seen it since I was a kid . Selling” I lied yesterday but today I’m telling the truth “ is a fine skill.
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Post by Rebirth on Nov 3, 2024 13:18:28 GMT
It's not really an art. I was on here sharing the fact that Labour will say and do anything for power. I didn't even need to think about it either. Those who are currently supporting Labour embraced the lies and treachery. Even now they're lying about not lying. It’s an art alright and I’ve seen it since I was a kid . Selling” I lied yesterday but today I’m telling the truth “ is a fine skill. Perhaps the population is so thick that they're not worth the time and should be treated like cattle.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2024 13:22:02 GMT
Politics is the art of lying . Labour politicians embrace it as much as the people they claim to hate. It's not universal. There are some straight politicians around. I quite like Geert Wilders. I think there might have been some OK ones in the Cons as well. One that comes to mind was the farmer who was thrown out for looking at saucy pictures on his phone in parliament instead of listening to the shit being dispatched from the dispatch box. I checked him out and the constituents say he was a great MP, and really knew his stuff. I think he also had a lot of experience in the faming industry, and could have been a helpful addition to the intelligence of that place, but I think there was a purge on. Now all we are left with in that party is on par with Satanists, like child fiddlers and thieves. That's the "Do what thou wilt" philosophy. Nope. It’s universal. Wherever you don’t see it … they have fooled you too.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2024 13:26:58 GMT
It’s an art alright and I’ve seen it since I was a kid . Selling” I lied yesterday but today I’m telling the truth “ is a fine skill. Perhaps the population is so thick that they're not worth the time and should be treated like cattle. Possibly. Most people just want to go work, pay the bills , have a bunk up and maybe go on a holiday . They generally aren’t interested in politics and vote accordingly. Those who have an interest in politics soon realise that they don’t have much of a choice anyway . Politicians don’t need to tell the truth to be elected, in fact telling the truth voiding be a liability
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 3, 2024 13:27:24 GMT
It's not really an art. I was on here sharing the fact that Labour will say and do anything for power. I didn't even need to think about it either. Those who are currently supporting Labour embraced the lies and treachery. Even now they're lying about not lying. It’s an art alright and I’ve seen it since I was a kid . Selling” I lied yesterday but today I’m telling the truth “ is a fine skill. Perhaps it's a necessary skill.
Ultimately, all politicians are populists because they all need votes in order to achieve anything.
Let's say we have two propositions:
1) The Right Thing but it's unpopular 2) The Popular Thing but it's not right
So what do we do? Promise The Right Thing and lose votes (and so be unable to do The Right Thing anyway)?
Or promise The Popular Thing and then do The Right Thing once elected (and be called a liar)?
Or attempt a middle ground of some sort?
And that's the juggling act that every politician is performing all the time.
(NB "The Right Thing" may of course be subjective but it may also be the necessary or even the only possible thing).
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2024 13:48:41 GMT
It’s an art alright and I’ve seen it since I was a kid . Selling” I lied yesterday but today I’m telling the truth “ is a fine skill. Perhaps it's a necessary skill.
Ultimately, all politicians are populists because they all need votes in order to achieve anything.
Let's say we have two propositions:
1) The Right Thing but it's unpopular 2) The Popular Thing but it's not right
So what do we do? Promise The Right Thing and lose votes (and so be unable to do The Right Thing anyway)?
Or promise The Popular Thing and then do The Right Thing once elected (and be called a liar)?
Or attempt a middle ground of some sort?
And that's the juggling act that every politician is performing all the time.
(NB "The Right Thing" may of course be subjective but it may also be the necessary or even the only possible thing).
I agree. The thing is that considering this and other things we should bear this in mind when voting or assessing our politicians. Politicians sell us a constructed reality then sell us reasons why it never happened…then sell us a new constructed reality ….
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 3, 2024 14:01:51 GMT
Perhaps it's a necessary skill.
Ultimately, all politicians are populists because they all need votes in order to achieve anything.
Let's say we have two propositions:
1) The Right Thing but it's unpopular 2) The Popular Thing but it's not right
So what do we do? Promise The Right Thing and lose votes (and so be unable to do The Right Thing anyway)?
Or promise The Popular Thing and then do The Right Thing once elected (and be called a liar)?
Or attempt a middle ground of some sort?
And that's the juggling act that every politician is performing all the time.
(NB "The Right Thing" may of course be subjective but it may also be the necessary or even the only possible thing).
I agree. The thing is that considering this and other things we should bear this in mind when voting or assessing our politicians. Politicians sell us a constructed reality then sell us reasons why it never happened…then sell us a new constructed reality …. It's a bit chicken & egg, I suppose:
Politician tells the truth, the electorate don't like the reality and don't vote for it.
So the next time around, the politician constructs a more palatable "Reality" which gets voted in and then dropped.
I think that's the price of the universal franchise.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 3, 2024 14:06:07 GMT
It's not universal. There are some straight politicians around. I quite like Geert Wilders. I think there might have been some OK ones in the Cons as well. One that comes to mind was the farmer who was thrown out for looking at saucy pictures on his phone in parliament instead of listening to the shit being dispatched from the dispatch box. I checked him out and the constituents say he was a great MP, and really knew his stuff. I think he also had a lot of experience in the faming industry, and could have been a helpful addition to the intelligence of that place, but I think there was a purge on. Now all we are left with in that party is on par with Satanists, like child fiddlers and thieves. That's the "Do what thou wilt" philosophy. Nope. It’s universal. Wherever you don’t see it … they have fooled you too. Your simple world does not exist. It's not all black and white. Black and white is classical logic (Aristotle et al). Gottlob Frege extended it, but news has not reached the tabloids yet!
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2024 14:07:55 GMT
Nope. It’s universal. Wherever you don’t see it … they have fooled you too. Your simple world does not exist. It's not all black and white. Black and white is classical logic (Aristotle et al). Gottlob Frege extended it, but news has not reached the tabloids yet! I’m not the one who believes politicians. You are. Don’t project your naivety at me.
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Nov 3, 2024 14:20:20 GMT
Your simple world does not exist. It's not all black and white. Black and white is classical logic (Aristotle et al). Gottlob Frege extended it, but news has not reached the tabloids yet! I’m not the one who believes politicians. You are. Don’t project your naivety at me. I think we in this country have seen a big decline in standards. There were far more capable politicians in the 1980s than we have in the current lot.
Lying is the option for those who can't achieve it.
and worse
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Post by Fairsociety on Nov 3, 2024 14:25:16 GMT
Most of us on this site knew Labour were lying from the get-go, so it came as no surprise to us using the 'I was 'wrong' routine as a cop out for telling barefaced lies.
The shock horror of all those who were naive enough to believe their lies and vote for them comes as no surprise to us, now the thing is what are these outraged people going to do about it now ... let the away with it?
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Post by Bentley on Nov 3, 2024 14:29:42 GMT
I’m not the one who believes politicians. You are. Don’t project your naivety at me. I think we in this country have seen a big decline in standards. There were far more capable politicians in the 1980s than we have in the current lot.
Lying is the option for those who can't achieve it.
and worse
Define standards in the context of your post . Not interested in random youtube videos .
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