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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 30, 2024 23:23:59 GMT
I suspect Starmer may have instructed MI5 to monitor any far right racist bigot who dares to watch this...
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Post by ratcliff on Oct 30, 2024 23:57:37 GMT
It's not immediately obvious how establishing a terrorism connection with the accused and the crime will either jeopardise the trial or weaken the Crown's case. I should have thought the opposite to be the case. No Trial be it a run of the mill petty crime or Murder and Terrorism is discussed openly prior to a trial, only after the Trial or during the trial when it takes place we will be able to read or hear what took place that day in Court and until the trial ends and a verdict is reached, As they have also now charged him under the Terrorism Act , they may deal with that separately it will be up to CPS decide The charges will be tried together according to court reports today 'He is currently facing proceedings in Liverpool Crown Court,' Ms Heer said.
'In respect of those matters, he is due to appear on November 13 for a plea trial and preparation hearing.
'And the Crown's application would be for both of those matters to be sent directly to Liverpool Crown Court to link up with those matters.'
The chief magistrate, district judge Paul Goldspring, asked whether the matters were related. Ms Heer confirmed they are.
Judge Goldspring told the defendant: 'They are related in the sense that they come out of the same facts.'
He sent the case to Liverpool Crown Court where Axel Rudakubana will appear on November 13 for a plea and trial preparation hearing.
The judge added: 'The prosecution will ask the judge to link up matters together.'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14018967/Southport-killer-appears-court-charged-terror-offence.html
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 31, 2024 6:36:51 GMT
But the murders aren't being treated as terror related, oh no no. I wonder how long the police will try to keep up that farcical narrative?
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Post by Handyman on Oct 31, 2024 7:37:20 GMT
No Trial be it a run of the mill petty crime or Murder and Terrorism is discussed openly prior to a trial, only after the Trial or during the trial when it takes place we will be able to read or hear what took place that day in Court and until the trial ends and a verdict is reached, As they have also now charged him under the Terrorism Act , they may deal with that separately it will be up to CPS decide The charges will be tried together according to court reports today 'He is currently facing proceedings in Liverpool Crown Court,' Ms Heer said.
'In respect of those matters, he is due to appear on November 13 for a plea trial and preparation hearing.
'And the Crown's application would be for both of those matters to be sent directly to Liverpool Crown Court to link up with those matters.'
The chief magistrate, district judge Paul Goldspring, asked whether the matters were related. Ms Heer confirmed they are.
Judge Goldspring told the defendant: 'They are related in the sense that they come out of the same facts.'
He sent the case to Liverpool Crown Court where Axel Rudakubana will appear on November 13 for a plea and trial preparation hearing.
The judge added: 'The prosecution will ask the judge to link up matters together.'
www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14018967/Southport-killer-appears-court-charged-terror-offence.htmlThanks for that, indeed the Judge will decide if they deal with both together , the Investigation will IMHO still be ongoing they will be trying to find out where the Ricin he is alleged to have made has gone how much did he make , has it been dumped or passed on to someone else.
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Post by Rebirth on Oct 31, 2024 7:42:45 GMT
I suspect Starmer may have instructed MI5 to monitor any far right racist bigot who dares to watch this... And these people control the police and all of our security, and yet they cover up for actual terrorists and attack the people. I wouldn't be surprised if they encouraged those murders just to provoke the reaction, which the state is profiting on with all of their hate laws.
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Post by Handyman on Oct 31, 2024 8:34:11 GMT
But the murders aren't being treated as terror related, oh no no. I wonder how long the police will try to keep up that farcical narrative? The Police do not decide what any suspect is charged with and that has been the case since 1980 the CPS do The charge of Murder is ancient it goes back in time and is the shortest and simplest charge in UK Law basically " On date and place you did Murder victim's name Contrary to Common Law, in this case he will face three separate charges of Murder plus the attempted murders IMHO As far as I am aware there is no legislation addition to include by an act of Terrorism in the charge , that will be in the evidence to support the Murder charges and Attempted Murders , he has also been charged under the Terrorism Act Allegation regarding his alleged production of Ricin. The In
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 31, 2024 8:55:58 GMT
But the murders aren't being treated as terror related, oh no no. I wonder how long the police will try to keep up that farcical narrative? The Police do not decide what any suspect is charged with and that has been the case since 1980 the CPS do The charge of Murder is ancient it goes back in time and is the shortest and simplest charge in UK Law basically " On date and place you did Murder victim's name Contrary to Common Law, in this case he will face three separate charges of Murder plus the attempted murders IMHO As far as I am aware there is no legislation addition to include by an act of Terrorism in the charge , that will be in the evidence to support the Murder charges and Attempted Murders , he has also been charged under the Terrorism Act Allegation regarding his alleged production of Ricin. The In Yes I know. But to maintain that the murders weren't terror related is farcical.
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Post by sandypine on Oct 31, 2024 9:20:22 GMT
The Police do not decide what any suspect is charged with and that has been the case since 1980 the CPS do The charge of Murder is ancient it goes back in time and is the shortest and simplest charge in UK Law basically " On date and place you did Murder victim's name Contrary to Common Law, in this case he will face three separate charges of Murder plus the attempted murders IMHO As far as I am aware there is no legislation addition to include by an act of Terrorism in the charge , that will be in the evidence to support the Murder charges and Attempted Murders , he has also been charged under the Terrorism Act Allegation regarding his alleged production of Ricin. The In Yes I know. But to maintain that the murders weren't terror related is farcical. What is strange is what seems to be absolute silence on his Islamic connections. Did he sit in his bedroom and become radicalised online or was he an active member of any mosque. Were his parents Muslims or did he convert through contacts. Initially we were led to believe he was Welsh, then he was of Rwandan extraction whereby only a small percentage were Muslim. At every turn we were directed away from any Islamic connections, even now it is only presented as a tenuous connection through ownership of Jihadi material, how it got there, what links he had are all clouded by a lack of information.
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Post by Handyman on Oct 31, 2024 9:28:56 GMT
The Police do not decide what any suspect is charged with and that has been the case since 1980 the CPS do The charge of Murder is ancient it goes back in time and is the shortest and simplest charge in UK Law basically " On date and place you did Murder victim's name Contrary to Common Law, in this case he will face three separate charges of Murder plus the attempted murders IMHO As far as I am aware there is no legislation addition to include by an act of Terrorism in the charge , that will be in the evidence to support the Murder charges and Attempted Murders , he has also been charged under the Terrorism Act Allegation regarding his alleged production of Ricin. The In Yes I know. But to maintain that the murders weren't terror related is farcical. The Investigation is not over as yet we don't why he did what he did that will or should become apparent when his trial starts, that IMHO is why the Senior Police Officers are not saying what they may really think personally, what they say publicly in a Press Release will IMHO be written for them by their Legal advisors
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 31, 2024 10:31:42 GMT
Another slight mystery here is how his alleged Islamo-terrorist leanings and possibly associated behaviours like producing a biological weapons agent could have gone unnoticed in the home and school environments.
There are already discussions in some darker corners of the interweb about the circumstances under which his parents arrived in the UK from Rwanda, and when.
According to the Mail, the father arrived in 2002 'in search of a better life', while the official narrative so far appears to have been that his parents were fleeing the genocide. That seems rather unlikely since that event took place in 1994, eight years before he was supposed to have fled.
I have read that one of the chief perpetrators of the genocide also has the surname Rudakubana, but with foremame Anaclet rather than Alphonse. He evidently disappeared and was never brought to justice.
In the meantime the parents are being accommodated in a safe house somewhere else.
I'm sure it will all come out sooner rather than later, much as the PTB and the legacy media appear to want to place a cone of silence over the family background.
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 31, 2024 10:37:59 GMT
Yes I know. But to maintain that the murders weren't terror related is farcical. The Investigation is not over as yet we don't why he did what he did that will or should become apparent when his trial starts, that IMHO is why the Senior Police Officers are not saying what they may really think personally, what they say publicly in a Press Release will IMHO be written for them by their Legal advisors It's in the public interest to know as much as we can about this person, for a start people need to know what to look out for, let's say the parents genuinely didn't know what he was up to and they missed signs that could of helped him before he did what he did, that's why cover-up in cases like this does more harm than good, how many more teenage Axel Rudakubana's are sitting in their bedrooms right now plotting the next murders, it's vital parents, and the general public recognise the warning signs Forewarned is Forearmed as the saying goes.
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 31, 2024 10:55:28 GMT
Since he was a minor at the time the parents would have been responsible for his actions and activities.
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Post by Handyman on Oct 31, 2024 11:29:03 GMT
The Investigation is not over as yet we don't why he did what he did that will or should become apparent when his trial starts, that IMHO is why the Senior Police Officers are not saying what they may really think personally, what they say publicly in a Press Release will IMHO be written for them by their Legal advisors It's in the public interest to know as much as we can about this person, for a start people need to know what to look out for, let's say the parents genuinely didn't know what he was up to and they missed signs that could of helped him before he did what he did, that's why cover-up in cases like this does more harm than good, how many more teenage Axel Rudakubana's are sitting in their bedrooms right now plotting the next murders, it's vital parents, and the general public recognise the warning signs Forewarned is Forearmed as the saying goes. As I have stated as and when his trial starts even if pleads Guilty we will know more about him when the reports on him are prepared for the Judge, nothing will be released by the Police or CPS before that IMHO his parents will have been spoken to interviewed by Police and if they had any knowledge or inclining what he was up to, and possibly his close friends if he had any, some Parents have contacted the authorities concerned their child or maybe be being groomed on line by Terrorists. or Paedophiles etc or the company may keep. I believe there are Websites and Phone Numbers for people to do that
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Post by wapentake on Oct 31, 2024 11:57:54 GMT
As others have pointed out a Starmer & co are trying to shut this down warning off the two Tory hopefuls from speaking but imo opinion he’s covering himself. They say say the accused must have a fair trial so no comments should be made,this of course is true but and as I’ve made it clear that though I have little time for those who riot and attack the police shouldn’t they have been afforded the same but we had Starmer forcefully commenting they can and will face the full force of the law and they were fast tracked and did. So it’s for this and other reasons people question his actions and rightfully so. link
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 31, 2024 12:00:51 GMT
Well I swallowed the story he was some kid with mental health issues. I knew they were shitting us. They are bad liars.
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