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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 30, 2024 9:31:12 GMT
If this evidence was found during a search of the suspect's home, then it would have been discovered very soon after the killings - so why have the Police sat on this and allowed those people claiming an Islamist link to get attacked in the media?. Because they're politicised and corrupt? At least we know where we stand with criminals, they are criminals, there's now a fine line between criminals and the law makers, they appear to be breaking as many laws as the criminals themselves, the only difference being the law makers are above the law. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 30, 2024 9:55:06 GMT
SM: "Let's face it: He's going down for life either way."
Not necessarily. A motiveless crime is likely to result in an insanity plea and a hospital stay rather than jail.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 30, 2024 10:57:02 GMT
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Post by Dogburger on Oct 30, 2024 11:20:56 GMT
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Post by jonksy on Oct 30, 2024 11:32:31 GMT
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Post by Handyman on Oct 30, 2024 11:45:41 GMT
IMHO
The Government past and present , Border Force, Immigration Agency, Police, Security Services, Rioters and the General Public know only one thing for certain, and that is they have entered the UK and across Europe " Unlawfully "
The authorities and we do not know for certain their country of origin, their true identity or more importantly " what they are" are some of them members of Terrorist Organisation ? Organised Crime Gangs?, Criminals on the run, ? Or Genuine Asylum Seekers, but then again why have they travelled across safe countries to get to the UK.
That is the problem right across Europe and beyond,
The Police have as per usual have asked the Public to be calm , let them do their Job which they are doing the Police have very limited resources as it is , they have charged him with Murder and now under the Terrorism Act, their Investigation does not stop there as already been stated in this thread,
Whilst he is Custody awaiting Trial which may take many weeks or months, the Police and other Agencies will still be investigating him who has he been in contact with, if has a Computer or other Electronic devises they will access them to try and find out all of that takes time, they have to statements from victims, witnesses, Forensics any videos and photographs all of which is time consuming
As and when he is put on trial and hopefully convicted or he pleads guilty the Judge as per usual will ask for a full report before sentence is passed, his background and full medical reports, commonly known as " Nut and Gut reports"
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Post by Handyman on Oct 30, 2024 11:56:08 GMT
IMHO It is normal for Police to say very little when they arrest and charge a suspect with Murder, the reason they do not go into detail is they do not want to jeopardise the inevitable trial as members of the Public will form a Jury, and need to approach their task with an open mind, and told by the Court to put aside any speculation rumours they may have heard in the press or locally. Same when suspected Terrorists are put on trial the Press are told very little, the Judge can put in place reporting restrictions even hold some of the Trial in Camera , no press no public in the gallery just the Jury, Defendants, Council, Defence, and those giving evidence, etc. Again IMHO. The Internet is great lots of correct information to hand, but there is also a lot of false inaccurate information Rumour Control some of which has recently caused violence on UK Streets and in other countries, spread by those with an axe to grind, or their Political views, or lunatics or by another hostile country that wants to cause unrest, Russia is a prime example. With this man you will only get to know chapter and verse as when and if he is convicted of Murder and Attempted Murder, as for the Terrorism Charges we may not full chapter and verse, as it is highly likely the Terrorism Unit, MI5 and MI6 will be looking at who he was in contact where they and what they maybe, all done on the QT On the contrary, a terrorism connection will go a long way towards establishing motive, which has be a central consideration in any murder trial. The possibility that announcing such a connection could damage 'community cohesion' is insufficient reason to conceal it from the public. Of course it does I agree the Police will have asked him why he did what he did as they do in all Murder Investigations , however in this case there is also the strong possibility of a Terrorism connection or possibly a Lone Wolf , that IMHO will be ongoing, at this time they cannot reveal anything nothing that may jeopardise his Trial and may weaken the Crowns case |
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Post by om15 on Oct 30, 2024 12:09:20 GMT
Sooner or later Starmer is going to drop such an immense bollock he will have to stand down, it is rumoured that already he is realising he is not up to the job and would like to hand over. Not only are GB News, Talk and the DT dissecting everything he does the more mainstream media are becoming aware that there are stories to be told, apart from the Daily Mirror (where seetwo gets his ideas) no one has a good word to say about him.
Labour need to ditch him and put in an intelligent moderate PM who will blow out the current front bench and put in a team to attempt to run the Country properly or they will be ripped apart by the media. The impending disaster of an ill thought out ideology driven budget may be the start of their downfall.
They got away with it in the 1970s because the thick as pig shit trade unionists had the upper hand, but today people are more thoughtful and better educated, it is noticeable how the younger people on tic tac are supporting Nigel Farage, this catastrophic socialist shambles will bring in Reform, I am sure of it.
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 30, 2024 13:56:41 GMT
On the contrary, a terrorism connection will go a long way towards establishing motive, which has be a central consideration in any murder trial. The possibility that announcing such a connection could damage 'community cohesion' is insufficient reason to conceal it from the public. Of course it does I agree the Police will have asked him why he did what he did as they do in all Murder Investigations , however in this case there is also the strong possibility of a Terrorism connection or possibly a Lone Wolf , that IMHO will be ongoing, at this time they cannot reveal anything nothing that may jeopardise his Trial and may weaken the Crowns case It's not immediately obvious how establishing a terrorism connection with the accused and the crime will either jeopardise the trial or weaken the Crown's case. I should have thought the opposite to be the case. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 30, 2024 14:04:04 GMT
Of course it does I agree the Police will have asked him why he did what he did as they do in all Murder Investigations , however in this case there is also the strong possibility of a Terrorism connection or possibly a Lone Wolf , that IMHO will be ongoing, at this time they cannot reveal anything nothing that may jeopardise his Trial and may weaken the Crowns case It's not immediately obvious how establishing a terrorism connection with the accused and the crime will either jeopardise the trial or weaken the Crown's case. I should have thought the opposite to be the case. Changing the subject slightly, would US Air Force captain Robert Prussak still have been found innocent of taking a 9 year old child who was 'lost' from outside Harrods back to his flat ... now the next day after his acquittal we read this ...
"US Air Force captain Robert Prussak acquitted of kidnap outside Harrods and sex assault is charged with making indecent images of a child: Pilot, 57, arrested on separate charge moments after not guilty verdict"
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Post by Handyman on Oct 30, 2024 14:05:24 GMT
Of course it does I agree the Police will have asked him why he did what he did as they do in all Murder Investigations , however in this case there is also the strong possibility of a Terrorism connection or possibly a Lone Wolf , that IMHO will be ongoing, at this time they cannot reveal anything nothing that may jeopardise his Trial and may weaken the Crowns case It's not immediately obvious how establishing a terrorism connection with the accused and the crime will either jeopardise the trial or weaken the Crown's case. I should have thought the opposite to be the case. No Trial be it a run of the mill petty crime or Murder and Terrorism is discussed openly prior to a trial, only after the Trial or during the trial when it takes place we will be able to read or hear what took place that day in Court and until the trial ends and a verdict is reached, As they have also now charged him under the Terrorism Act , they may deal with that separately it will be up to CPS decide |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 30, 2024 14:23:36 GMT
It's not immediately obvious how establishing a terrorism connection with the accused and the crime will either jeopardise the trial or weaken the Crown's case. I should have thought the opposite to be the case. Changing the subject slightly, would US Air Force captain Robert Prussak still have been found innocent of taking a 9 year old child who was 'lost' from outside Harrods back to his flat ... now the next day after his acquittal we read this ...
"US Air Force captain Robert Prussak acquitted of kidnap outside Harrods and sex assault is charged with making indecent images of a child: Pilot, 57, arrested on separate charge moments after not guilty verdict"
As I have stated a number of times I am no Legal Eagle , a Solicitor or Barrister I was a Police Officer that was involved in putting people before the Courts for 30 years plus and retired from the Met 23 years ago next month My best guess would be that since Prussak was arrested and charged and awaiting trial and eventually his trial hit the Media , IMHO in the meantime other victims have now come forward to say they were also abused by him and a separate investigation took place and was ready go. If he had been found guilty they would probably have put him on trial for the new allegations as well |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 30, 2024 14:32:05 GMT
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 30, 2024 14:36:37 GMT
But we are as free as birds to talk about that Terrorist Tommy Robinson who wont hand over the PIN to his mobile, we can say what we like about him, don't worry about misinformation the two tier justice system has spoken. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 30, 2024 15:50:26 GMT
The UK government and police should be more open about criminal investigations to avoid an information gap being filled by social media, Britain's terror law watchdog has said, amid claims of a cover-up over the Southport attacks. Jonathan Hall KC, the independent reviewer of terrorism laws, said the authorities should put all the information they can in the public domain. His comments came as Conservative Party leadership contender Robert Jenrick suggested authorities had been “lying” to the public about what was known about the alleged Southport attacker. www.breakingnews.ie/world/southport-row-continues-as-watchdog-urges-government-and-police-to-be-more-open-1688950.htmlThis government does not instil any confidence that they are telling the truth. Starmer and his ministers are increasingly evasive and secretive. As om15 said up the page, Starmer is not up to the job and sooner or later he will drop such a clanger he will have to resign. The problem is, who will take over? Rayner lol, out of the frying pan... |
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