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Post by see2 on Oct 28, 2024 10:49:53 GMT
1. Could be, or it could be a wakening up of the masses. 2. If the West gets it wrong, then Dictatorships will take control, firstly by dominating economic control and then by virtue of their wealth. IMO dictatorships are the new financial form of Conservatism taking us back a 100 years or more, i.e. The top 1% of Russia's wealthiest people held 47.7% of the country's wealth. Even higher than the old and failed Conservatives. What does a waking of the masses look like to you? If the west 'gets it wrong' it will be no different to decades past and will lead to the same results. There isn't much chance of Russia being the top world superpower anytime soon A successful open insurrection. It would be a different world if BRICs became the dominant financial area. And that looks possible at the moment, especially so if Trump is elected. Russia as backed by China and by other dictator, and dictator like countries and as part of an increasingly economically powerful BRICs set up. Would be able, in economic and influential terms, be able to eat the UK, and a failing Western democracy, up for breakfast. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 28, 2024 10:55:21 GMT
I believe the requirement for membership of the Council of Europe (and hence the HR Convention) applied to EU member states acceding after around 2000... Not daft are they. The EU can afford to play the long game because it cant be voted out. |
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Post by borgr0 on Oct 28, 2024 11:11:38 GMT
A successful open insurrection. The last time Russia had a successful open insurrection, we saw the Bolsheviks installed into power, not that I'm impugning the Bolsheviks It looks like he's going to be elected here in the USA, all the polls point that way Those countries were close to being the world's dominant superpower in the past, they naturally tend towards that owing to their large area, population sizes and productivity, the inevitable can only be stopped for so long The combination of the EU27, Canada, Australia, Japan, UK and many other countries I've left out aren't likely to let that happen anytime soon, they are more powerful as a whole even without the USA on their side, unless the USA joins the BRICs - but if it does, that's Trump's choice and I don't think democracy should be impeded if that's what he wants Of course, it's very unlikely that would ever happen (the USA joining BRICs bloc) |
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Post by see2 on Oct 28, 2024 11:42:59 GMT
A successful open insurrection. The last time Russia had a successful open insurrection, we saw the Bolsheviks installed into power, not that I'm impugning the Bolsheviks It looks like he's going to be elected here in the USA, all the polls point that way Those countries were close to being the world's dominant superpower in the past, they naturally tend towards that owing to their large area, population sizes and productivity, the inevitable can only be stopped for so long The combination of the EU27, Canada, Australia, Japan, UK and many other countries I've left out aren't likely to let that happen anytime soon, they are more powerful as a whole even without the USA on their side, unless the USA joins the BRICs - but if it does, that's Trump's choice and I don't think democracy should be impeded if that's what he wants Of course, it's very unlikely that would ever happen (the USA joining BRICs bloc) The Bolsheviks were not democrats, I was posting in terms of Democrats 'V' Dictatorship. Yes. But Trump is so false that I find it unbelievable that so many take him seriously. But they do. Part of the problem as I see it is that BRICs has the optimism, desire and enthusiasm of new possibilities, while the West and democracy seem to be somewhat jaded at present. Given a Trump government followed by another corrupted and contrived election victory, I could easily imagine America becoming a member of BRICs. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 28, 2024 11:46:18 GMT
I believe the requirement for membership of the Council of Europe (and hence the HR Convention) applied to EU member states acceding after around 2000... Not daft are they. The EU can afford to play the long game because it cant be voted out. Any eventual outcome is in the hands of the EU Parliament. They have the last say in any changes. |
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Post by borgr0 on Oct 28, 2024 11:47:15 GMT
If America wants to join the BRICs, that is the govt's prerogative and many might see that as a potentially positive development. There's nothing all that dictatorial about Brazil which is one member of the BRICs, even the UK has largely positive relations with India too
A lot of people don't see Trump as false and think he wears his heart on his sleeve and speaks off the cuff, those who have met him say they found him very authentic and that he doesn't look down on anyone
My point about the Bolshevik insurrection is that a 'revolution' and insurrection can lead to anyone being installed and one should be careful what they wish for
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Post by sandypine on Oct 28, 2024 11:50:28 GMT
Not daft are they. The EU can afford to play the long game because it cant be voted out. Any eventual outcome is in the hands of the EU Parliament. They have the last say in any changes. On any proposed changes and it is the Commission that propose changes that have to be in agreement with the Treaties. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 28, 2024 11:55:15 GMT
Not daft are they. The EU can afford to play the long game because it cant be voted out. Any eventual outcome is in the hands of the EU Parliament. They have the last say in any changes. Can you point out the bit where it says that?.. |
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Post by dodgydave on Oct 29, 2024 4:27:30 GMT
There won't be democracy as we know it in 100 years, but not for the reasons you think. The democratic process is slow, and the world is getting faster and faster. The only way to compete will be to have decisions made quickly. That is why we are entering the period of the dictator again. However, while one person can make quick decisions, they are also prone to making bad decisions. The democratic nations will have to resort to autonomy to compete... so it's pretty certain that our lives will be run by some kind of Quantum Computing instead of politicians. So our final act of democracy will be to say fuck off politicians, and hello to our AI overlords. If there is no time for people to talk about what should happen next, there is no society. There is no society. Our institutions have been taken over by nutcases that push victimhood which has deeply divided the country. We have also flooded the country with 8 million immigrants which has washed any sense of national identity away. If we went to war tomorrow, who would fight for the country? The six million EU nationals? Not a chance. The four million Muslims? Not a chance. The young who have been brainwashed into believe their future has been stolen? Not a chance. If Elon Musk created a walled city that was run by AI people would lap it up. |
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 29, 2024 7:12:18 GMT
If there is no time for people to talk about what should happen next, there is no society. There is no society. Our institutions have been taken over by nutcases that push victimhood which has deeply divided the country. We have also flooded the country with 8 million immigrants which has washed any sense of national identity away. If we went to war tomorrow, who would fight for the country? The six million EU nationals? Not a chance. The four million Muslims? Not a chance. The young who have been brainwashed into believe their future has been stolen? Not a chance. If Elon Musk created a walled city that was run by AI people would lap it up. Which country would that be anyway ? If Parliament declared war on someone tomorrow the three devolved governments would immediately hire a lawyer to rubbish 2TK's decision on 'human rights' grounds and would probably take money from whoever England was at war with to sabotage their chances. Scotland and Ireland certainly would. I personally would welcome the civil war that would follow, I'd be dead in a fortnight from the failure of the supply of medicine that's propping me up since the Chinese Pox tried to off me, but I'd enjoy the chance to settle a few scores on the way out, that's for sure |
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Post by see2 on Oct 29, 2024 21:40:01 GMT
If America wants to join the BRICs, that is the govt's prerogative and many might see that as a potentially positive development. There's nothing all that dictatorial about Brazil which is one member of the BRICs, even the UK has largely positive relations with India too A lot of people don't see Trump as false and think he wears his heart on his sleeve and speaks off the cuff, those who have met him say they found him very authentic and that he doesn't look down on anyone My point about the Bolshevik insurrection is that a 'revolution' and insurrection can lead to anyone being installed and one should be careful what they wish for Yes, and understood. My point was about a possible way of unseating a dictator, admittingly not a likely way. |
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Post by borgr0 on Oct 29, 2024 21:45:25 GMT
There is likely to be a push for even greater democracy than the current iterations, after this fad of strongmen dictators is over, people are understandably sick of the partial democracy we've got in much of the world and actually want even more democracy and participatory politics. They are just pushing the system to give them what they want by protest voting a lot of the time
We are probably going to see a strong resurgence of democracy but a slightly better form of it in the medium to long term
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Post by see2 on Oct 29, 2024 21:45:48 GMT
Any eventual outcome is in the hands of the EU Parliament. They have the last say in any changes. Can you point out the bit where it says that?.. You have to follow the processes. Starting with the suggestions put up for discussion by the Commission. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 29, 2024 21:54:55 GMT
There is likely to be a push for even greater democracy than the current iterations, after this fad of strongmen dictators is over, people are understandably sick of the partial democracy we've got in much of the world and actually want even more democracy and participatory politics. They are just pushing the system to give them what they want by protest voting a lot of the time We are probably going to see a strong resurgence of democracy but a slightly better form of it in the medium to long term I don't think the present democratic system is flawed, IMO the main single problem in the democratic system is the freedom within which political lies and insinuations by politicians and the news medias and others, are allowed to pass unchecked. |
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Post by borgr0 on Oct 29, 2024 22:02:26 GMT
You don't think there are any flaws whatsoever to the present democratic system?
From what I can tell, you then appear to list problems with the current system
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