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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 30, 2024 9:47:42 GMT
If this thread is going to consist of dubs tossing around lazy nazi, Zionist slurs and others accusing Putin of being a nonce then this isn’t suitable for the mind zone. You guys have until the next page to steer this back on topic, and an intellectual discussion, or this thread is getting locked. I’m trying to keep it on topic … but point taken … we are boring people repeating this stuff But we are only discussing this here … because the World View section is now locked away for non-Members. … Why was that done?? … and tbh … this debate was v. polite … until Bentley’s last post … Why lock the thread … when you can remove abusive posts instead? |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 30, 2024 9:48:23 GMT
You’ve never been to any of them. Your knowledge consists of dodgy videos and Chinese internet pals . You are the dry land swimming expert. Some knowledge is better than your ignorance. Ukraine is the last place I would visit anyway. Remember my brother's wife is Chinese. My brother has never been over there to meet the family, but I think he might go at some point and if he does I might tag along too. It's about an hour's drive from Shanghai apparently. Should be fun.
I do actually have to work here believe it or not. I'm not a layabout like you.
You clearly don’t have any knowledge. You have a delusion , the delusion being that if you think it then it must be true . |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 30, 2024 10:09:53 GMT
[quote author=" Bentley " source="/post/283468 /thread" timestamp="1730246316"] Well the Chinese government do have the odd bit of it dotted around, but it is really saying be nice to others, respect your family etc, which are traditional Chinese values. In other words it is pretty harmless and moderate as well. The impression I get from Ukraine though is a completely different picture. You should watch it because it shows you several examples. It's kind of deranged, loopy. By the way, if you ever see a Chinese dragon, remember it is there to bring you good luck. Love your Chinese dragon. Of course . In other news Mao was just a big loveable teddy bear and not a green toothed monster ,responsible for the deaths of millions.Well done little grasshopper , you have been successfully brainwashed . Dragons don’t exist. Firstly, …Thanks for that BBC update on the Ukraine casualty numbers, Baron. … 160,000 new conscripts being promoted by the BBC? … soon the Management will be promoting British subjects be put in the U. killing fields meat grinder GCHQ/Whitehall promoted?? … robbing UK tax-payers who never wanted this war. … or Western support for modern day ethnic cleansing. ++++++++ …Re: Mao … Bentley is clearly suffering from old age McCarthyite anti-Commie hysteria propagandised from the 1940’s and 50’s … Stalinist times, Mao era genocides. Last I heard …Russia and China are wealthy, successful capitalist Countries … where rich oligarchs are now held accountable for corruption, greed … and anarchic subversion. [/quote][/div]
You know what. The other day i was accused by this same person of always bringing up China in a conversation that is not to do with China. It might be that it is relevant to a comparison perhaps, but here what we see is total hypocrisy, since I was talking about Ukraine and how it is a totally controlled society. Now the same hypocrite is back to Mao who has absolutely nothing to do with the situation in Ukraine and is and has been dead for a long time. This is the sign of a weak poster though who only has very narrow topics they know anything about, and these topics are those constantly used by Nato countries in their brainwashing repertoire.
The point I was wondering though was that it may be that the brainwashing in Ukraine was designed by Nato counties to prime the population into fighting their friends. As I understand it, during soviet times the Ukrainians and the Russians were all blended together and working to the same ends of serving the soviet union, which by the way was not trying to be deliberately oppressive. It was a union, hence the idea was all work for a common goal of prosperity. Ukraine itself was a successful industrial area of the soviet union. The nuclear reactors in the time they were built would have been the shining jewel of the soviet's achievements in science and engineering, so most likely it was a positive and productive place. So why this anti-Russian thing? It does not make sense unless there is some external influence and I believe there might be. It's weird in that what I get from it is it is encouraging them to think in some sort of fantasy land of make-believe. Have you noticed the same thing around Bristol? All the buildings have these huge murals on them. Who came up with this idea and what is the purpose of it?
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 30, 2024 10:25:44 GMT
Very interesting CONTROVERSIAL new statement from Mark Rutte … the new EU head of NATO. (18 mins) NATO are basically moaning about Russia using Korean troops to help defend Russian territory … Kursk is Russian territory Ukraine invaded … so I guess Putin is well within his rights to use whatever troops he likes … that want to help.  Mark Rutte uses all the buzz words here … whitewashing Zelenski’s thugs of ethnic cleansing charges in the Donbas and Crimea … playing them up as the ‘innocent victim ‘ here … for all he’s worth …. to soften Europeans up for conscription, death in the killing fields of Ukraine … and nuclear war escalation … he takes his orders from America … and the Pentagon … who are keen to push this further futile U.S. bid to annex Crimea … to another level …. into a nuclear conflict with Russia. Mark Rutte … currently the most dangerous man on the Planet … as dangerous as Soros, imo. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 30, 2024 11:03:04 GMT
Did you notice Mark Rutte didn’t hang around for any FREE PRESS questions?? … Putin isn’t afraid to talk to the PRESS … present his case for the defence of attacks on Ukraine Russian-speakers.
What is this politically spineless COWARD afraid of?? … or weren’t the European MSM interested.
If I’m reading this right ….
As long as North Korea don’t accidentally stray across the Russian border into Ukraine territory … there is absolutely nothing NATO can do about this situation.
… [except let the American Pentagon propaganda units squeal hysterically about “Commie Invasion of the WEST! Russian Commie expansionism - McCarthyite-style reminiscent of the 1950’s … that drove many artists and film makers out of America … exiled to Europe … like Chaplin … to Switzerland ”
Remember the Commie hysteria of the 50’s … why are the Democrats peddling this level of CENSORSHIP … bizarre really … ?? Have they … and their military implants lost their senses??Well worth discussing… another day, another thread. ]
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NATO already have fighters/military advisors … within the borders of Ukraine … and Ukraine are not in NATO …. so why can Putin not use foreign troops too? … and mercenary forces like NATO covertly employs.??
The Ukraine military doesn’t have the expertise and training to use even the old tech NATO has given them.
It begs the question …
Is our MOD issuing SAS with Ukraine ID’s and passports? … and a crash course in the Ukraine language?
I’m guessing “Die, Ruski filthy pig dogs” is one of the Deep State Starmer’s racist-approved phrases in the NATO handbook “How to pass yourself off as Ukrainian if captured!”😂
NATO are in such a mess right now … surely this Alliance will fall apart … but only when we get a BBC that isn’t a poodle to this NATO Propaganda … and a FREE PRESS that can get on European TV? … Question Time … and discussion platforms.
GB TV is a lone voice … constantly attacked … but we need more independent channels giving us a better version of the reality happening here.
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Post by Vinny on Oct 30, 2024 11:04:07 GMT
Ukraine has been under military assault for ten years by Putin, schools, hospitals, homes and power infrastructure hit. Genocide in Bucha, genocide in Donetsk and Luhansk, children kidnapped and raped by the Putin dictatorship and not one word of condemnation of that regime from you.
Give up.
Stop supporting evil.
Support peace, call for Putin to end his illegal war, resign from power and hand himself over to the international war crimes tribunal.
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Post by borgr0 on Oct 30, 2024 15:16:11 GMT
Pretty sure Dubs does support peace. He wants a peace deal and a compromise and that is not appeasement, it's avoiding billions of deaths in a nuke holocaust
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Post by Vinny on Oct 31, 2024 1:13:09 GMT
No, he supports terrorism, genocide, invasion, occupation, land theft, tyranny.
Tyranny is not peace.
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Post by borgr0 on Oct 31, 2024 1:27:56 GMT
One man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter
One man's peace is another man's war
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Post by Dubdrifter on Oct 31, 2024 7:31:35 GMT
No, he supports terrorism, genocide, invasion, occupation, land theft, tyranny. Tyranny is not peace. No, I don’t … but the EU/NATO/CIA and George Soros arguably use EXACTLY those same leverage tools in their expansionist projects … just look at the maps of Europe and the Middle East to see the NATO/EU/Israeli Globalist Mafia expansionism … done at U.S./U.K./European/Commonwealth tax-payers expense since WW2. We voted BREXIT to get out of their clutches … but traitors like Starmer keep sniffing around their back end handouts … desperate to be on their knees and shafted by Brussels. If the EU Commission had left each member Country the power to secure it’s own borders as before … and NATO had created a DMZ of the Eastern Bloc that wanted independence from Russia …. none of this genocide would have happened. … sadly the CIA Dr Strangelove nutters got a plan to destroy Humanity in their twisted head … so here we are. Zelenski walked away from the best PEACE DEAL Ukraine/Azov was going to get from Putin after your thugs terrorised the Donbas and Crimea for over 30 years with their racist hatred of Russian speakers. The Pentagon and Mossad never saw the destruction of U. and millions of deaths as a ‘problem’ … to their cynical analysis … it makes land grab easier … and generates ENORMOUSLY lucrative rebuilding contracts.$$$$$. U. were taken to the cleaners by the Wagner Group … as the Kremlin cleverly played one set of nasty extremists against another. Ukraine was ready to concede it had made a mistake embarking on ethnic cleansing … but the Pentagon had it’s plan to grab Russia’s naval bases in the Crimea … with EU approval … a stupid dangerous move involving the usual bullying and blackmail … easy to execute with the MSM completely MUZZLED by the Soros/Bloomberg Posse. We are watching the same happen in the Middle East now … we wish these 2 nasty evil factions would stop the killing and there would be an end to military backed territorial expansionism everywhere … which NATO/EU/WEST/Netanyahu Posse have engineered … This would save millions of innocent lives … and stop inevitable nuclear war … Mark Rutte knows this … but continues with his M.A.D. (Mutual Assured Destructive) NATO Agenda. …. TRUMP is the only flawed politician that can engineer and instant cessation of hostilities … and wants to deliver that … and this evil Western coterie want him DEAD. Even Stephen Fry has been brainwashed to fall in line with their Plan … what a poor gullible sap. It’s hard to see what is real footage … and what is AI generated crap … but there is definitely a British voice talking in the trenches @2min mark. Showing UK troops are right in there (another MOD lie) … already being cannon fodder for Soros’s interests. Stupid saps. The British military analyst, Philip Ingram, saying “Russia can never win this war” … is delusional and STUPID … as Ukrainians opt out of conscription … and WESTERN motivation to support the NATO war-mongers evaporates …
… the WEST has already LOST this war … and only the Times Online is propagandising them still in this fight.The owner of The Times, Murdoch, is a disciple of Netanyahu’s Tribe … so who is surprised? … it is important to know what camp Media ownership is entrenched in … because The Times today … has lost it’s reputation for reliable reportage … just as the BBC and Guardian have ‘sold out’ their neutrality their ‘independence’ … and so has the Independent. It is TRULY disgusting to hear Stephen Fry … who worked on the legendary anti-war trench comedy Black Adder Goes Forth … lending his enthusiasm for tech … and particularly drone/warfare tech … promoting the moral bankruptcy of these NATO war mongers and their expansionist goals … and arms industries.What a ‘fake peacenik’ sell out … I hope he is enjoying the Judas shekels he got from this propaganda video. Unless it was over ££5 million+++ … it wasn’t enough to support him in exile from Briton … in his retirement. Maybe like Zelenski … a Miami apartment comes with this commission?? Britons and Humanitarians will be SO DISGUSTED … from British ‘National treasure’ … to grubby war-monger in 12.5 minutes! Advice to Mr Stephen ‘Idiot’ Fry … watch Oliver Stone’s 2016 documentary film “Ukraine on Fire” … FREE now on Youtube … and learn the true history of this conflict …. …. then hand the money back … and make a grovelling PUBLIC apology to the British Public NOW … for being DUPED into involvement in a bullying thug NATO/CIA/Soros promotion. You sold your SOUL … so cheaply … is my guess.🤔 |
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Post by Vinny on Oct 31, 2024 8:50:59 GMT
Oliver Stone couldn't get his facts right about Jim Morrison with a full budget, full access to those who knew him etc. He made an anti Ukrainian pro Putin propaganda piece. No criticism of the Wagner Nazis or the Rusich Nazis who posed as "separatists", no criticism of the murder of Russian MPs, journalists or the collapse into fascist hell.
You've been conned.
You support tyranny.
You support invasion, the bombing of schools, hospitals, homes and electricity whilst demonising the victims.
Putin should surrender and give himself up.
Ukraine cannot stop fighting or genocide will occur, as it did in Chechnya, which is filled with the mass graves of those Putin's death squads murdered.
Read Killer in the Kremlin by John Sweeney, a real journalist, who was a war correspondent in Chechnya and lost friends in Ukraine, including the cameraman Pierre Zak Zakrewski.
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 1, 2024 8:49:08 GMT
Oliver Stone couldn't get his facts right about Jim Morrison with a full budget, full access to those who knew him etc. He made an anti Ukrainian pro Putin propaganda piece. No criticism of the Wagner Nazis or the Rusich Nazis who posed as "separatists", no criticism of the murder of Russian MPs, journalists or the collapse into fascist hell. You've been conned. You support tyranny.
You support invasion, the bombing of schools, hospitals, homes and electricity whilst demonising the victims.Putin should surrender and give himself up. Ukraine cannot stop fighting or genocide will occur, as it did in Chechnya, which is filled with the mass graves of those Putin's death squads murdered. Read Killer in the Kremlin by John Sweeney, a real journalist, who was a war correspondent in Chechnya and lost friends in Ukraine, including the cameraman Pierre Zak Zakrewski. More tripe .. with no evidence presented … as usual. Sob stories about a series of Cold War Mark 2 murders … is failing to look at the Big Picture, Vinny. Oliver Stone’s accuracy on Ukraine history … was spot on … and his contacts in the Services pointed out what the CIA was up to here in Ukraine/Chechnya/Georgia … decades ago …. Every territory that offered an EU eastern expansionist opportunity followed by NATO military invasion for the Dr Strangeloves in America … still stuck in a McCarthyite mindset. … destroy Russia … and subjugate under a Zionist New World Order run by Eugenics bullies within the World Economic Forum and Deep State dictats. ALL the terrorism and destabilisation has American/Israeli and shamefully even British Intelligence involvement stamped all over it. … and no interest in a DMZ being made of Eastern Europe. … and to HELL with the innocent people caught up in the way of that ambition.
Sweeney can sob about his handful of lost friends … but to imagine the CIA/Mossad cares is a joke … there must have been about ~ 1 + million dead … when you tot up the TOTAL post-WW2 Cold War body counts that resulted from mostly Western expansionist ambition.
War-mongering aggression/sabre-rattling is all that these time-warped genocidalists are interested in … at OUR expense. … and they are in OUR building!
We have had ENOUGH of this BULLSHIT … and are going to OPT OUT OF NATO … wait and see.These factions weren’t interested in a fragmented Soviet Union re-stabilising as a SECURE capitalist Russia. Western-backed Globalist religious mafias wanted CONTROL and LAND GRAB of all of that rich Russian/Ukraine resource/mineral/fossil fuel cake … but Stone and Putin saw them coming … and the CIA lost Ukraine to genocide … and got a bloody nose! - it’s what happens to those who start wars … decades before the ‘main event’ … through supporting terrorist false flag operations … and making false statements. Eg. This peachy EU Commission BS gem … “A Russia that feels safe and secure … makes Europe feel safe and secure” … SPOKEN as Israeli servants running Brussels were breaking Europe’s borders and running forced eugenics programmes on blind, dumb and gullibly greedy indigenous Europeans … who would bend over for anyone for a FREE handout and a jihadist/terrorist in their back garden. … as did Ukraine and all the rogue states that forgot upsetting the Russian Bear could have serious consequences. Do stop whining about Sweeney’s dead mates, Vinny … we care about the innocents who died … but these expansionists DON’T. … Leave these Nazi factions on both sides to kill each other … we are not interested … and certainly shouldn’t be funding this … or wasting British lives in this pointless conflict. The British Government needs to RESIGN over being further involved … in the MESS that BJ, SUNAK and The Tories got us involved in … BIG MISTAKE! We were assured the Labour Party wasn’t a TOOL of ZIONIST OPPRESSION …. VOTERS are DEVASTATED … Starmer needs to resign … or the Labour Party’s reputation, history and integrity will be longterm wrecked by this situation. …. which is EXACTLY what the Zionists and Tories strategically wanted, tbh … as they handed over this U. War ‘poisoned chalice’ that poodle BJ delivered for the CIA/Israel … to a new PM who is a tool of BLM … and also on bended knee to MI5/6(according to Czech Intelligence) … not to mention a UK Establishment grown RICH and subservient to EU handouts. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 1, 2024 9:17:33 GMT
All of the above we have discussed before … so I won’t be doing so again.
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Moving on …. As NATO/Pentagon poodle Mark Rutte dodges PRESS interrogation ….
… here are some HOME TRUTHS from Putin delivered at the ‘24 BRICS Conference … about Europe and it’s handling of this situation … attacking Russia … and leaving it’s own People and Economies and small businesses IMPOVERSISHED.
THE EU DOESN’T CARE ONE JOT ABOUT OUR WELFARE.
… Only greed and self-interest dominates their thinking … They need to be REMOVED. 👍👏
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Post by Vinny on Nov 1, 2024 10:39:31 GMT
You're the one posting tripe, warmonger. There's no truths from Putin's propaganda machine whatsoever. It is a corrupt dictatorship that arrests imprisons and kills dissenters.
Both these men are now dead.
Four hours after Boris Nemtsov gave this interview he was murdered.
Shot in the back by Putin's assassins and died in the arms of his girlfriend.
Free expression is illegal in Russia:
  Protest? Over a decade in prison. And:  Alexei Navalny before he was murdered. His crime? Being a credible rival to Putin. You post lies about Ukraine whilst defending the invasion and defending the bastards who did this:  There were civilians in there when the invaders bombed it in daylight. Cyclist shot for simply being on the road. Sky News team shot at for simply reporting from an invaded area. This Fox News crew were murdered by the invaders prompting their friend John Sweeney to write the book Killer in the Kremlin (which you still haven't read very lazy of you btw).   Get yourself a copy of this book, learn the facts and stop defending evil. |
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Post by Dubdrifter on Nov 2, 2024 6:42:33 GMT
Yes, … Mistakes in our history shouldn’t be wiped clean and eradicated … then repeated.
ALL OF THE ABOVE DEATH, DESTRUCTION AND ASSASSINATION ….is a result of ZIONIST/NATO/Deep State Cold War threatening … initially the Soviet Union … and now Russia … and it’s SECURITY. … since WW2.
What you sow … you grim reap … obviously.
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Moving on … because you are repeating points already made, V … and people need something fresh.
Tony Benn speech … 1998. (1 min duration)…. History Repeating … because of CIA/MOSSAD/NATO dumb asses like Netanyahu, Stoltenberg and Mark Rutte living today. CRIMINAL WARMONGERS.
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