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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 24, 2024 21:43:56 GMT
Well running cost might be a bit higher but construction costs are a lot lower and you have the benefit of more comfort. A totally reasonable alternative. Yes but metal is just a horrible material in so many ways. We have not even discussed acoustics either. Living in a tin can and listening to your ten grand stereo is going to piss you off something rotten, and not only that but soundproofing is hardly great either.
If Britain were smart they would have robot brick factories and robot brick layers so you could erect a home far cheaper than we do now. The cost of building materials has gone through the roof. My father built his own house in 1963 and ran through some of the costs and how much his wages were and the wages of the workmen. Put it this way, he did not need a mortgage and paid in cash plus a bit of an overdraft. It's stupid decisions like the idea of using containers that create unaffordability in all its guises. Homes in Blighty were large and spacious in the 1930s, and after that they started shrinking.
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Post by Montegriffo on Oct 25, 2024 0:04:04 GMT
Its simple Baron you just lay 2 containers side by side and then weld them together before removing the sides that butt together... It's OK doing that for a single story, but as mentioned in the OP, people are going for multi-story constructions with cantilevers and all. You still have the problem of the British climate. Flat roofs are a trouble to start with. You get puddles on them and metal hates water, plus if it snows that isn't going to slide off. It will be an oven in the summer and a freezer in the winter with condensation running off all the walls creating mould which will destroy the decor and become a health hazard.
This is why houses have sloping roofs. You notice quite a few in this country do! As for bricks, what they do is not only function as excellent insulation and can be build into any shape you like, they also extract moisture. The humidity caused by your breath is going to condense on the cold surface, but brick is porous so the temperature difference between one side and the other draws the moisture out and it evaporates on the outside walls. Clever eh? Well the thing is we have been building homes for thousands of years, tried the mud huts and the tents etc, and seem to have settled on the traditional British house as the best option. Shame we can't build them anymore. Well, obviously, you have to thatch them. That's what we did. Ours are just storage units though.  |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 25, 2024 8:29:54 GMT
It's OK doing that for a single story, but as mentioned in the OP, people are going for multi-story constructions with cantilevers and all. You still have the problem of the British climate. Flat roofs are a trouble to start with. You get puddles on them and metal hates water, plus if it snows that isn't going to slide off. It will be an oven in the summer and a freezer in the winter with condensation running off all the walls creating mould which will destroy the decor and become a health hazard.
This is why houses have sloping roofs. You notice quite a few in this country do! As for bricks, what they do is not only function as excellent insulation and can be build into any shape you like, they also extract moisture. The humidity caused by your breath is going to condense on the cold surface, but brick is porous so the temperature difference between one side and the other draws the moisture out and it evaporates on the outside walls. Clever eh? Well the thing is we have been building homes for thousands of years, tried the mud huts and the tents etc, and seem to have settled on the traditional British house as the best option. Shame we can't build them anymore. Well, obviously, you have to thatch them. That's what we did. Ours are just storage units though. Well done. People's practical skills always impresses me.
Maybe enter it for the Turner Prize.
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 25, 2024 9:05:58 GMT
For somebody whose enthusiasm for flying cars and 'Chinese Tech' know no bounds, the Baron's imagination seems to be curiously defective on this subject. 'Living in a tin can' indeed...
From the website of a UK company that specialises in container homes which they offer in two spec levels: standard, for the local authority/asylum-seeker accommodation market, and superior for owner-occupiers.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 25, 2024 9:14:10 GMT
Well running cost might be a bit higher but construction costs are a lot lower and you have the benefit of more comfort. A totally reasonable alternative. Yes but metal is just a horrible material in so many ways. We have not even discussed acoustics either. Living in a tin can and listening to your ten grand stereo is going to piss you off something rotten, and not only that but soundproofing is hardly great either.
If Britain were smart they would have robot brick factories and robot brick layers so you could erect a home far cheaper than we do now. The cost of building materials has gone through the roof. My father built his own house in 1963 and ran through some of the costs and how much his wages were and the wages of the workmen. Put it this way, he did not need a mortgage and paid in cash plus a bit of an overdraft. It's stupid decisions like the idea of using containers that create unaffordability in all its guises. Homes in Blighty were large and spacious in the 1930s, and after that they started shrinking.
Of course the size if UK hueses have shrunk Baron, The cost of the land dictates the price of homes and they have to sqeeze in as many as they can per acre to make it profitable... |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 25, 2024 9:49:05 GMT
Yes but metal is just a horrible material in so many ways. We have not even discussed acoustics either. Living in a tin can and listening to your ten grand stereo is going to piss you off something rotten, and not only that but soundproofing is hardly great either.
If Britain were smart they would have robot brick factories and robot brick layers so you could erect a home far cheaper than we do now. The cost of building materials has gone through the roof. My father built his own house in 1963 and ran through some of the costs and how much his wages were and the wages of the workmen. Put it this way, he did not need a mortgage and paid in cash plus a bit of an overdraft. It's stupid decisions like the idea of using containers that create unaffordability in all its guises. Homes in Blighty were large and spacious in the 1930s, and after that they started shrinking.
Of course the size if UK hueses have shrunk Baron, The cost of the land dictates the price of homes and they have to sqeeze in as many as they can per acre to make it profitable... It's not the whole story. It's not well understood (especially by the thick media) that in the 1930s you could pretty much build the house you wanted. Since then regulations on house building have become so ridiculous that it has loaded up the costs. What seems to have happened is a similar thing as it is with cars. They represent the two largest purchases the average person makes and as a result every freakin crook wants a cut of this lucrative pie.
My father was lucky. He had three things. The neighbour had a double plot and decided to sell half of it so he did the deal directly with them in cash. The bricks were going cheap as they were the bricks from the bombed houses in London, as in second hand bricks, so he bought the amount needed to build the house, and he met a builder and his mate, where the builder was an older chap and very experienced and was willing to do a good deal. It took the two of them plus my father to build it in one year. Now it is worth over a million.By cutting out all the middlemen and buying at the bottom of the market, he managed to afford it after being in a job for about 5 years. It's a much better built house than these modern rip-off developer firms build. The bricks even survived the Germans and are still in operation today.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 25, 2024 9:53:49 GMT
Of course the size if UK hueses have shrunk Baron, The cost of the land dictates the price of homes and they have to sqeeze in as many as they can per acre to make it profitable... It's not the whole story. It's not well understood (especially by the thick media) that in the 1930s you could pretty much build the house you wanted. Since then regulations on house building have become so ridiculous that it has loaded up the costs. What seems to have happened is a similar thing as it is with cars. They represent the two largest purchases the average person makes and as a result every freakin crook wants a cut of this lucrative pie.
My father was lucky. He had three things. The neighbour had a double plot and decided to sell half of it so he did the deal directly with them in cash. The bricks were going cheap as they were the bricks from the bombed houses in London, as in second hand bricks, so he bought the amount needed to build the house, and he met a builder and his mate, where the builder was an older chap and very experienced and was willing to do a good deal. It took the two of them plus my father to build it in one year. Now it is worth over a million.By cutting out all the middlemen and buying at the bottom of the market, he managed to afford it after being in a job for about 5 years. It's a much better built house than these modern rip-off developer firms build. The bricks even survived the Germans and are still in operation today.
There are no restrictions on the size of dwellings now Baron as long as planning permission is given...Who wants to live in a rabbit hutch that has a garage where you cannot even open the doors of a vehicle once they are inside? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 25, 2024 10:01:39 GMT
For somebody whose enthusiasm for flying cars and 'Chinese Tech' know no bounds, the Baron's imagination seems to be curiously defective on this subject. 'Living in a tin can' indeed...
From the website of a UK company that specialises in container homes which they offer in two spec levels: standard, for the local authority/asylum-seeker accommodation market, and superior for owner-occupiers.
Do you fancy living literally a few yards away from a runway? |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 25, 2024 10:03:59 GMT
It's not the whole story. It's not well understood (especially by the thick media) that in the 1930s you could pretty much build the house you wanted. Since then regulations on house building have become so ridiculous that it has loaded up the costs. What seems to have happened is a similar thing as it is with cars. They represent the two largest purchases the average person makes and as a result every freakin crook wants a cut of this lucrative pie.
My father was lucky. He had three things. The neighbour had a double plot and decided to sell half of it so he did the deal directly with them in cash. The bricks were going cheap as they were the bricks from the bombed houses in London, as in second hand bricks, so he bought the amount needed to build the house, and he met a builder and his mate, where the builder was an older chap and very experienced and was willing to do a good deal. It took the two of them plus my father to build it in one year. Now it is worth over a million.By cutting out all the middlemen and buying at the bottom of the market, he managed to afford it after being in a job for about 5 years. It's a much better built house than these modern rip-off developer firms build. The bricks even survived the Germans and are still in operation today.
There are no restrictions on the size of dwellings now Baron as long as planning permission is given...Who wants to live in a rabbit hutch that has a garage where you cannot even open the doors of a vehicle once they are inside? Youtube has a few channels dedicated to developer's handiwork. It seems like they employ monkeys in today's Britain. Take a look. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 25, 2024 10:06:39 GMT
There are no restrictions on the size of dwellings now Baron as long as planning permission is given...Who wants to live in a rabbit hutch that has a garage where you cannot even open the doors of a vehicle once they are inside? Youtube has a few channels dedicated to developer's handiwork. It seems like they employ monkeys in today's Britain. Take a look. And what does that have in relations with the size of UK dwellings? |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 25, 2024 10:07:46 GMT
For somebody whose enthusiasm for flying cars and 'Chinese Tech' know no bounds, the Baron's imagination seems to be curiously defective on this subject. 'Living in a tin can' indeed...
From the website of a UK company that specialises in container homes which they offer in two spec levels: standard, for the local authority/asylum-seeker accommodation market, and superior for owner-occupiers.
Do you fancy living literally a few yards away from a runway? Pleny good enough for our unwanted guests Baron.. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 25, 2024 10:33:55 GMT
Youtube has a few channels dedicated to developer's handiwork. It seems like they employ monkeys in today's Britain. Take a look. And what does that have in relations with the size of UK dwellings? They are just shit all round, as in smaller, cheaper, plasterboard internal wall, everything weak and flimsy. No front garden either and a pisstake of a garden behind, and overlooked by loads of windows as they cram the maximum number into a plot. Housing basically went communist and communism is and expensive thing. It's what you get for your money in today's market is not worth it. It is ridiculously overvalued. It's all down to government policy though. New houses all look identical because what is allowed is one form just about. The problem though is those who have investments in the over-valued market. They want it to remain as it is to protect their investments. Anyhow this almighty fuckup is what happens when anticapitalists gain control of the government. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Oct 25, 2024 10:34:40 GMT
For somebody whose enthusiasm for flying cars and 'Chinese Tech' know no bounds, the Baron's imagination seems to be curiously defective on this subject. 'Living in a tin can' indeed...
From the website of a UK company that specialises in container homes which they offer in two spec levels: standard, for the local authority/asylum-seeker accommodation market, and superior for owner-occupiers.
Do you fancy living literally a few yards away from a runway? No, I wouldn't fancy living anywhere with such ghastly furniture either. But then neither location nor furnishings are fixed no matter what style of dwelling you opt for. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 25, 2024 10:35:05 GMT
Do you fancy living literally a few yards away from a runway? Pleny good enough for our unwanted guests Baron.. I would treat them to a British Airways seat myself. |
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Post by Baron von Lotsov on Oct 25, 2024 10:37:14 GMT
Do you fancy living literally a few yards away from a runway? No, I wouldn't fancy living anywhere with such ghastly furniture either. But then neither location nor furnishings are fixed no matter what style of dwelling you opt for. I'd never trust the warbling idiot that figured your arms would be comfortable on those metal armrests. |
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