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Post by Rebirth on Oct 27, 2024 13:00:33 GMT
Yes. Someone who wants to seek asylum can travel from one safe country to another. That is factual... Well, it's legal. In same way that an "Asylum seeker" is anyone that calls themselves such. However, neither factually guarantee that such a person is genuinely in need of asylum. And flitting from one safe country to another is strongly indicative that they aren't. That is factual. I'm unsure they actually address this rationally. I think it's just a case of somebody says they are therefore they must be. When any disagreement is smeared as racism then why risk being eaten by your own by addressing it logically? |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 27, 2024 13:04:42 GMT
Well he's welcome. Nothing I've said breaches any forum rules. And that's also factual. Correct. Why would I report someone because they disagree with me? 🤪 It's what you always do andrea when you have dug yourself into a hole... |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 27, 2024 13:18:16 GMT
Only idiots would think a person already in a safe country is an asylum seeker when they move to another safe country..is that you Andrew? Yes. Someone who wants to seek asylum can travel from one safe country to another. That is factual. I'm not really sure that makes me an idiot, does it? This is the key thing you conveniently overlook.
The minute money changes hands and they pay illegal people traffickers that's when they become 'illegal migrants'
Point out where it says in any law that anyone who pays illegal people traffickers money to illegally cross the channel are classed as Asylum seekers?
Now find a ruling that makes them genuine Asylum seekers, and not illegal migrants who are not entitled to claim Asylum because they have paid illegal people traffickers, and that's the difference.
Take as long as you like andrea .... we'll all wait with baited breath for you to find the rule in any conventions or asylum or EHRC law that says you can pay illegal people traffickers who enable them to enter a country illegally and claim Asylum.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 27, 2024 13:38:32 GMT
Well, it's legal. In same way that an "Asylum seeker" is anyone that calls themselves such. However, neither factually guarantee that such a person is genuinely in need of asylum. And flitting from one safe country to another is strongly indicative that they aren't. That is factual. I'm unsure they actually address this rationally. I think it's just a case of somebody says they are therefore they must be. When any disagreement is smeared as racism then why risk being eaten by your own by addressing it logically? As someone who has observed this professionally (not as a decision maker, I'd hasten to add) I can say that you're almost certainly correct. Someone says they're an asylum seeker and pretty much every surrounding circumstance is immediately ignored. It's a farce that is not entertained elsewhere. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Oct 27, 2024 13:40:33 GMT
Yes. Someone who wants to seek asylum can travel from one safe country to another. That is factual. I'm not really sure that makes me an idiot, does it? This is the key thing you conveniently overlook.
The minute money changes hands and they pay illegal people traffickers that's when they become 'illegal migrants'
Point out where it says in any law that anyone who pays illegal people traffickers money to illegally cross the channel are classed as Asylum seekers?
Now find a ruling that makes them genuine Asylum seekers, and not illegal migrants who are not entitled to claim Asylum because they have paid illegal people traffickers, and that's the difference.
Take as long as you like andrea .... we'll all wait with baited breath for you to find the rule in any conventions or asylum or EHRC law that says you can pay illegal people traffickers who enable them to enter a country illegally and claim Asylum.
Exactly. And when the surrounding circumstances, as above, include criminal collusion with people traffickers it becomes even more perverse. |
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Post by andrewbrown on Oct 27, 2024 13:50:49 GMT
Yes. Someone who wants to seek asylum can travel from one safe country to another. That is factual. I'm not really sure that makes me an idiot, does it? This is the key thing you conveniently overlook.
The minute money changes hands and they pay illegal people traffickers that's when they become 'illegal migrants'
Point out where it says in any law that anyone who pays illegal people traffickers money to illegally cross the channel are classed as Asylum seekers?
Now find a ruling that makes them genuine Asylum seekers, and not illegal migrants who are not entitled to claim Asylum because they have paid illegal people traffickers, and that's the difference.
Take as long as you like andrea .... we'll all wait with baited breath for you to find the rule in any conventions or asylum or EHRC law that says you can pay illegal people traffickers who enable them to enter a country illegally and claim Asylum.
No, incorrect. When you claim asylum, at that point you become an asylum seeker. That fact is not impacted by whether you arrive by train, plane, boat or simply walk over the fields from Eire. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 27, 2024 14:22:53 GMT
I'm unsure they actually address this rationally. I think it's just a case of somebody says they are therefore they must be. When any disagreement is smeared as racism then why risk being eaten by your own by addressing it logically? As someone who has observed this professionally (not as a decision maker, I'd hasten to add) I can say that you're almost certainly correct. Someone says they're an asylum seeker and pretty much every surrounding circumstance is immediately ignored. It's a farce that is not entertained elsewhere. How does any government decide who is and who is not an asylum seeker? that is where the problem is. |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 27, 2024 14:25:10 GMT
This is the key thing you conveniently overlook.
The minute money changes hands and they pay illegal people traffickers that's when they become 'illegal migrants'
Point out where it says in any law that anyone who pays illegal people traffickers money to illegally cross the channel are classed as Asylum seekers?
Now find a ruling that makes them genuine Asylum seekers, and not illegal migrants who are not entitled to claim Asylum because they have paid illegal people traffickers, and that's the difference.
Take as long as you like andrea .... we'll all wait with baited breath for you to find the rule in any conventions or asylum or EHRC law that says you can pay illegal people traffickers who enable them to enter a country illegally and claim Asylum.
No, incorrect. When you claim asylum, at that point you become an asylum seeker. That fact is not impacted by whether you arrive by train, plane, boat or simply walk over the fields from Eire. And wht about the arseholes who come by rubber boats and toss their identities into the ocean andrea? How are they classed in the warped minds of lefty wokes? |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 27, 2024 14:30:13 GMT
As someone who has observed this professionally (not as a decision maker, I'd hasten to add) I can say that you're almost certainly correct. Someone says they're an asylum seeker and pretty much every surrounding circumstance is immediately ignored. It's a farce that is not entertained elsewhere. How does any government decide who is and who is not an asylum seeker? that is where the problem is. That’s easy. Consider them economic migrants until they can prove that they are asylum seekers . |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 27, 2024 14:47:11 GMT
Only idiots would think a person already in a safe country is an asylum seeker when they move to another safe country..is that you Andrew? Yes. Someone who wants to seek asylum can travel from one safe country to another. That is factual. I'm not really sure that makes me an idiot, does it? No they cannot, travelling in Schengen without a visa is illegal and can mean deportation, travelling without identification is illegal and can mean incarceration pending return certainly in France. What seems to happen is the EU and France ignore their own laws by not challenging illegal travellers. There is no right to travel, the right does not kick in until one claims asylum then such illegal activity is excused. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 27, 2024 14:59:49 GMT
Yes. Someone who wants to seek asylum can travel from one safe country to another. That is factual. I'm not really sure that makes me an idiot, does it? No they cannot, travelling in Schengen without a visa is illegal and can mean deportation, travelling without identification is illegal and can mean incarceration pending return certainly in France. What seems to happen is the EU and France ignore their own laws by not challenging illegal travellers. There is no right to travel, the right does not kick in until one claims asylum then such illegal activity is excused. Asylum seekers are not illegals, the are people seeking safety. |
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Post by sandypine on Oct 27, 2024 15:41:09 GMT
No they cannot, travelling in Schengen without a visa is illegal and can mean deportation, travelling without identification is illegal and can mean incarceration pending return certainly in France. What seems to happen is the EU and France ignore their own laws by not challenging illegal travellers. There is no right to travel, the right does not kick in until one claims asylum then such illegal activity is excused. Asylum seekers are not illegals, the are people seeking safety. Only at the point of the claim until that time they are breaking laws in whichever country they find themselves. The get out clause does not take effect until the claim is made. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 27, 2024 17:23:18 GMT
No they cannot, travelling in Schengen without a visa is illegal and can mean deportation, travelling without identification is illegal and can mean incarceration pending return certainly in France. What seems to happen is the EU and France ignore their own laws by not challenging illegal travellers. There is no right to travel, the right does not kick in until one claims asylum then such illegal activity is excused. Asylum seekers are not illegals, the are people seeking safety. Look idiot, once money changes hands with people traffickers they no longer are classified as 'Asylum seekers', they are illegal migrants.
We are still waiting for andrea to quote us any law that says migrants can pay people traffickers to enter a country illegally and claim Asylum.
Do you want to give him a hand?
So now you and andrea can show us what law surrounding Asylum states they can pay illegal people traffickers to enter a country and claim Asylum?
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 27, 2024 17:26:43 GMT
This is the key thing you conveniently overlook.
The minute money changes hands and they pay illegal people traffickers that's when they become 'illegal migrants'
Point out where it says in any law that anyone who pays illegal people traffickers money to illegally cross the channel are classed as Asylum seekers?
Now find a ruling that makes them genuine Asylum seekers, and not illegal migrants who are not entitled to claim Asylum because they have paid illegal people traffickers, and that's the difference.
Take as long as you like andrea .... we'll all wait with baited breath for you to find the rule in any conventions or asylum or EHRC law that says you can pay illegal people traffickers who enable them to enter a country illegally and claim Asylum.
No, incorrect. When you claim asylum, at that point you become an asylum seeker. That fact is not impacted by whether you arrive by train, plane, boat or simply walk over the fields from Eire. The fact is impacted when they pay illegal people traffickers money, the moment money changes hands in a criminal act they no longer become Asylum seekers, they are illegal migrants, one day you might get it .... but I wont hold my breath. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 27, 2024 21:05:14 GMT
Asylum seekers are not illegals, the are people seeking safety. Look idiot, once money changes hands with people traffickers they no longer are classified as 'Asylum seekers', they are illegal migrants.
We are still waiting for andrea to quote us any law that says migrants can pay people traffickers to enter a country illegally and claim Asylum.
Do you want to give him a hand?
So now you and andrea can show us what law surrounding Asylum states they can pay illegal people traffickers to enter a country and claim Asylum?
These two ^^ have gone quiet lol ... their Google must have froze. |
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