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Post by honestjohn on Oct 25, 2024 15:28:14 GMT
British jobs for British workers and a statistical piece of bullshit report to 'prove' that immigrants did not receive preference over British citizens in terms of social housing and of course the 2010 manifesto policy 'Control immigration through our Australian-style points-based system, ensuring that as growth returns we see rising levels of employment and wages, not rising immigration, and requiring newcomers to earn citizenship and the entitlements it brings.' "British jobs for British workers" an oft distorted comment of Brown's. IIRC Brown was talking about improving our education systems and training, thus making those regardless of ethnic background going through the system, capable of meeting the needs of employers. Brown had to be reminded of the constraints of EU membership, which meant that "British jobs for British workers" was impossible. The four freedoms. Goods Services Capital People Which pro-EU people have no problem with. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 25, 2024 18:24:34 GMT
"British jobs for British workers" an oft distorted comment of Brown's. IIRC Brown was talking about improving our education systems and training, thus making those regardless of ethnic background going through the system, capable of meeting the needs of employers. Brown had to be reminded of the constraints of EU membership, which meant that "British jobs for British workers" was impossible. The four freedoms. Goods Services Capital People Which pro-EU people have no problem with. That does not cancel out the basic needs for improved education and improved training of people in Britain. Prior to Brexit FoM people in the UK could further their education and training and become a worker in the UK. They would, De-Facto, be treated as being British. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 25, 2024 19:33:29 GMT
That does not cancel out the basic needs for improved education and improved training of people in Britain. Prior to Brexit FoM people in the UK could further both their education and training in the UK. They would, De-Facto, be treated as being British. When you talk of improved education and training for people in Britain I agree, but I have to ask, who for? British people or the rest of the world who are flooding into Britain. Freedom of movement is the biggest disaster of the 21st century, not just for this country but for Europe, indeed it will be the death of Europe as we know it. It was imposed on electorates who didn't want it by unelected extreme lefties who live in ivory towers, which is why mass immigration and open borders is causing so many problems today. People like Blair Merkel Prodi Barroso Juncker and von der Leyen should have their extensive assets seized and be prosecuted for crimes against Europe, and they should do serious jail time. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 26, 2024 8:36:22 GMT
That does not cancel out the basic needs for improved education and improved training of people in Britain. Prior to Brexit FoM people in the UK could further both their education and training in the UK. They would, De-Facto, be treated as being British. When you talk of improved education and training for people in Britain I agree, but I have to ask, who for? British people or the rest of the world who are flooding into Britain. Freedom of movement is the biggest disaster of the 21st century, not just for this country but for Europe, indeed it will be the death of Europe as we know it. It was imposed on electorates who didn't want it by unelected extreme lefties who live in ivory towers, which is why mass immigration and open borders is causing so many problems today. People like Blair Merkel Prodi Barroso Juncker and von der Leyen should have their extensive assets seized and be prosecuted for crimes against Europe, and they should do serious jail time. Wrong, asylum seekers is the biggest disaster of the 21st cent. Who are these "unelected extreme lefties" you refer to? So, in having no answer to the world problem of asylum seekers you just blame anyone your biased mind can come up with. You make absolutely no sense whatsoever. |
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Post by piglet on Oct 26, 2024 10:01:39 GMT
He makes sense to me. Start the journey to understanding by applying Reds message. Merkel worked for the nazis, i mean Russians.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 26, 2024 10:16:02 GMT
When you talk of improved education and training for people in Britain I agree, but I have to ask, who for? British people or the rest of the world who are flooding into Britain. Freedom of movement is the biggest disaster of the 21st century, not just for this country but for Europe, indeed it will be the death of Europe as we know it. It was imposed on electorates who didn't want it by unelected extreme lefties who live in ivory towers, which is why mass immigration and open borders is causing so many problems today. People like Blair Merkel Prodi Barroso Juncker and von der Leyen should have their extensive assets seized and be prosecuted for crimes against Europe, and they should do serious jail time. Wrong, asylum seekers is the biggest disaster of the 21st cent. Who are these "unelected extreme lefties" you refer to? So, in having no answer to the world problem of asylum seekers you just blame anyone your biased mind can come with. You make absolutely no sense whatsoever. These people are not asylum seekers, they are economic migrants who illegally entered the UK by colluding with criminal people trafficking gangs. They already were in a safe country. How many times must you idiots be told ? |
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Post by see2 on Oct 26, 2024 10:17:17 GMT
He makes sense to me. Start the journey to understanding by applying Reds message. Merkel worked for the nazis, i mean Russians. It is dishonest to refer to Asylum seekers as just migrants. -- "Oct 4, 2021 · Angela Merkel was the first German chancellor to speak Russian fluently, but this did not lead to a closer relationship with Moscow. In fact, the relationship grew markedly more distant" --She then entered politics in the wake of the Revolutions of 1989, briefly serving as deputy spokeswoman for the first democratically elected government of East Germany led by Lothar de Maizière." -- |
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Post by piglet on Oct 26, 2024 10:28:45 GMT
She couldnt be openly pro russian could she, she did many things to harm europe.
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Post by see2 on Oct 26, 2024 10:38:53 GMT
She couldnt be openly pro russian could she, she did many things to harm europe. She wasn't pro Russian, where did you get your idea she was from. What did she do to harm Europe? |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 26, 2024 10:53:33 GMT
Is Reform the last chance for the population to influence what goes on in parliament?...that to vote blue or red is to vote for the same thing. That pre election time, promises are made, never to be kept, lying is now pervasive, done because the blues and reds know they will win regardless. And the standing dictators, like the reds now, will do what the eff they want, we are powerless, reneging on everything, and the attitude is that we are idiots because we dont get how bad things are. Voting Reform is the last chance, the last chance before what?, the last chance before having to take to the streets, that on a boiler, if the steam cant escape, it blows up, im at that point, that bad news, incompetenance, lying, corruption, stupidity, racism, against the english, sexual perversity, financial incompetance, self server as sholes, indulgent marionnettes are everywhere. Like the french revolution, they live it up while all else goes to hell......OFF WITH THEIR HEADS. Or the Russian revolution, Labour, the Tories are so removed from everyday life thay might as well be wearing a crown, riding in carriages, having servants. When the Labour government crashes, it had better be Reform winning. IMO Reform Party gives the electorate an alternative to the two tired main parties of the Conservatives and Labour, for a new party Reform did indeed attracted good support they IMO will do even better at the next GE |
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Post by Rebirth on Oct 26, 2024 11:37:56 GMT
Is Reform the last chance for the population to influence what goes on in parliament?...that to vote blue or red is to vote for the same thing. That pre election time, promises are made, never to be kept, lying is now pervasive, done because the blues and reds know they will win regardless. And the standing dictators, like the reds now, will do what the eff they want, we are powerless, reneging on everything, and the attitude is that we are idiots because we dont get how bad things are. Voting Reform is the last chance, the last chance before what?, the last chance before having to take to the streets, that on a boiler, if the steam cant escape, it blows up, im at that point, that bad news, incompetenance, lying, corruption, stupidity, racism, against the english, sexual perversity, financial incompetance, self server as sholes, indulgent marionnettes are everywhere. Like the french revolution, they live it up while all else goes to hell......OFF WITH THEIR HEADS. Or the Russian revolution, Labour, the Tories are so removed from everyday life thay might as well be wearing a crown, riding in carriages, having servants. When the Labour government crashes, it had better be Reform winning. IMO Reform Party gives the electorate an alternative to the two tired main parties of the Conservatives and Labour, for a new party Reform did indeed attracted good support they IMO will do even better at the next GE An alternative tickbox perhaps, but I think it'll just end up as another establishment Tory party only with a different name. The British establishment is very insecure and can't even handle social media posts today, yet there is little resistence to Reform in the mainstream and this is probably because Reform will strip off everything that makes it unique to fit into the mainstream.
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Post by Handyman on Oct 26, 2024 12:16:08 GMT
IMO Reform Party gives the electorate an alternative to the two tired main parties of the Conservatives and Labour, for a new party Reform did indeed attracted good support they IMO will do even better at the next GE An alternative tickbox perhaps, but I think it'll just end up as another establishment Tory party only with a different name. The British establishment is very insecure and can't even handle social media posts today, yet there is little resistence to Reform in the mainstream and this is probably because Reform will strip off everything that makes it unique to fit into the mainstream.
I have long advocated that on the Ballot Paper there should be a tick box for none on the above parties are acceptable to me. |
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Post by Rebirth on Oct 26, 2024 12:51:59 GMT
An alternative tickbox perhaps, but I think it'll just end up as another establishment Tory party only with a different name. The British establishment is very insecure and can't even handle social media posts today, yet there is little resistence to Reform in the mainstream and this is probably because Reform will strip off everything that makes it unique to fit into the mainstream.
I have long advocated that on the Ballot Paper there should be a tick box for none on the above parties are acceptable to me. It's called abstaining. |
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Post by Handyman on Oct 26, 2024 13:53:21 GMT
I have long advocated that on the Ballot Paper there should be a tick box for none on the above parties are acceptable to me. It's called abstaining. Yes many do and take no part in Local or a GE, if they did have a box for none of the above at least that tells the Politicians that they have no faith in them or their policies |
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Post by jonksy on Oct 26, 2024 14:55:08 GMT
Yes many do and take no part in Local or a GE, if they did have a box for none of the above at least that tells the Politicians that they have no faith in them or their policies Knowing this shower we have now the "none of the above box" would be on the top of the list... |
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