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Post by see2 on Oct 22, 2024 18:38:34 GMT
Reform did well Red consderi how late it was the game that Farage threw his hat into the ring... Yes indeed, Reform did very well, and although Labour and the Tories wont admit it publicly, they will be quietly worried about the rise of Reform UK. Everyone other than Rightists extremists should be worried about the slide to the Right.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 22, 2024 19:02:38 GMT
I'm not sure why you have to be offensive, perhaps Reform is a subject which gets your back up? The reason I think Reform won't rule is because it is still pretty much a one tracked party, (Brexit/UKIP) one which is also based around one person, Farage. Farage will be 65 come the next election and will probably want to slow down a bit. Tice is useless. As is his gobby girlfriend, it seems. LOL anyone who is to the right of Lenin gets See2's back up. As for Reform, I agree it's most unlikely that such a young party would threaten the political status quo, although not impossible. However I think it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Reform UK may have a pivotal roll to play in 2029. If support for the party continues to grow, and with this government I see no reason to imagine otherwise, then Reform could be kingmakers in 2029. You say Reform UK is a one track party, yet for years poll after poll after poll has shown that immigration is a massive issue that the Tories and Labour pay lip service to. As far as mass immigration is concerned the electorate have been ignored/fucked over for the past 20 years, and we all know it's going to get a damned sight worse over ther next five years. This means there has never been a better time for a centre right party like Reform UK, and I think behind the scenes both Labour and the Tories will concerned about the rise of Reform UK, they both know immigration is a massive issue, and they both know Farage is a very competent operator.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 22, 2024 19:08:39 GMT
Yes indeed, Reform did very well, and although Labour and the Tories wont admit it publicly, they will be quietly worried about the rise of Reform UK. Everyone other than Rightists extremists should be worried about the slide to the Right. I take it the Mogadon has worn off. May I suggest increasing the dose?..
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Post by see2 on Oct 22, 2024 19:12:48 GMT
I'm not sure why you have to be offensive, perhaps Reform is a subject which gets your back up? The reason I think Reform won't rule is because it is still pretty much a one tracked party, (Brexit/UKIP) one which is also based around one person, Farage. Farage will be 65 come the next election and will probably want to slow down a bit. Tice is useless. As is his gobby girlfriend, it seems. LOL anyone who is to the right of Lenin gets See2's back up. Your insistence in lying about me is just another example of the dishonest approach now expected from Rightists.
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Post by see2 on Oct 22, 2024 19:14:51 GMT
Everyone other than Rightists extremists should be worried about the slide to the Right. I take it the Mogadon has worn off. May I suggest increasing the dose?.. Try looking at the history of Rightists instead of being naively influenced by them PS. What is Mogadon / r?
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Post by sandypine on Oct 22, 2024 19:24:14 GMT
Yes indeed, Reform did very well, and although Labour and the Tories wont admit it publicly, they will be quietly worried about the rise of Reform UK. Everyone other than Rightists extremists should be worried about the slide to the Right. No need, the slide to the right is what is required in the view of many. There is no risk of extreme right like the Nazis or Pinochet etc as no party is even hinted to be like them just as no party on the left is trying to be like the Soviets. Our democracy protects us from excesses.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 22, 2024 19:33:50 GMT
Try looking at the history of Rightists instead of being naively influenced by them PS. What is Mogadon / r? Mogadon is a delicious aperitif which lefties should be encouraged to take before engaging in linguistic combat with sensible people.
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Post by Pacifico on Oct 22, 2024 21:18:04 GMT
I'm not sure why you have to be offensive, perhaps Reform is a subject which gets your back up? The reason I think Reform won't rule is because it is still pretty much a one tracked party, (Brexit/UKIP) one which is also based around one person, Farage. Farage will be 65 come the next election and will probably want to slow down a bit. Tice is useless. As is his gobby girlfriend, it seems. LOL anyone who is to the right of Lenin gets See2's back up. As for Reform, I agree it's most unlikely that such a young party would threaten the political status quo, although not impossible. However I think it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Reform UK may have a pivotal roll to play in 2029. If support for the party continues to grow, and with this government I see no reason to imagine otherwise, then Reform could be kingmakers in 2029.
I'd say that is quite likely - what also happens (as we have seen across Europe) is that the existing parties change their policies to match those of the populist upstarts. we see this today in the UK where the Labour Government is rumoured to be reducing the foreign aid budget.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 22, 2024 21:38:13 GMT
I'd say that is quite likely - what also happens (as we have seen across Europe) is that the existing parties change their policies to match those of the populist upstarts. we see this today in the UK where the Labour Government is rumoured to be reducing the foreign aid budget. I dont think Labour will be changing polices to match 'populist upstarts' just yet. I mean they're five minutes into a five year government. If Labour reduce the foreign aid budget and it's likely, it wont be to appease populist upstarts, it will be because they cant afford it and if this Labour government cant afford to virtue signal with a huge foreign aid budget, then we're in trouble because tax payers will be severely clobbered next week.
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 22, 2024 21:54:20 GMT
I take it the Mogadon has worn off. May I suggest increasing the dose?.. Try looking at the history of Rightists instead of being naively influenced by themĀ PS. What is Mogadon / r? Try looking at the rhetoric of Blair and Brown after Griffin and Brons became MEP's I'd be inclined to recommend washing the Mogadon down with a few pints of something stronger than 4.5% abv
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Post by johnofgwent on Oct 22, 2024 22:02:44 GMT
I'd say that is quite likely - what also happens (as we have seen across Europe) is that the existing parties change their policies to match those of the populist upstarts. we see this today in the UK where the Labour Government is rumoured to be reducing the foreign aid budget. I dont think Labour will be changing polices to match 'populist upstarts' just yet. I mean they're five minutes into a five year government. I agree However, Two Tier Kier is on record publicly extolling the antics of the Welsh wankers in Cardiff Bay Reform are gunning for Tory seats in Wales as elsewhere, and may well make gains in votes if not in seats in those areas here, but the fact is hatred of historic Tory actions here is what kills the Tory vote and a party making ground against them might be amusing... It is however the degree to which arrogance, anti business, anti tourism, anti car, pro net zero bullshit will fester hatred of labour that matters. The next assembly election is 2026. That should give ample time for Two Tier Kier to fuck over most of the Welsh electorate.
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 22, 2024 22:40:33 GMT
I dont think Labour will be changing polices to match 'populist upstarts' just yet. I mean they're five minutes into a five year government. I agree However, Two Tier Kier is on record publicly extolling the antics of the Welsh wankers in Cardiff Bay Reform are gunning for Tory seats in Wales as elsewhere, and may well make gains in votes if not in seats in those areas here, but the fact is hatred of historic Tory actions here is what kills the Tory vote and a party making ground against them might be amusing... It is however the degree to which arrogance, anti business, anti tourism, anti car, pro net zero bullshit will fester hatred of labour that matters. The next assembly election is 2026. That should give ample time for Two Tier Kier to fuck over most of the Welsh electorate. I think, I hope Reform will do well in Wales. The Tories are never going to do very well as you say it's historic, and by 2026 Labour should have fucked up enough to encourage voters to give Reform a chance. Hopefully the locals in England next May will prove to be a springboard for Reform, and hopefully Wales will follow in 2026. But to preserve the vote I suspect Labour may be, in some way, planning to pour cash into South Wales to make up for Port Talbot in time for 2026.
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Post by jonksy on Oct 22, 2024 23:19:36 GMT
Try looking at the history of Rightists instead of being naively influenced by them PS. What is Mogadon / r? Mogadon is a delicious aperitif which lefties should be encouraged to take before engaging in linguistic combat with sensible people. Syrup of figs would be better. It gets rid of shit quicker...
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Post by see2 on Oct 23, 2024 10:15:58 GMT
Everyone other than Rightists extremists should be worried about the slide to the Right. No need, the slide to the right is what is required in the view of many. There is no risk of extreme right like the Nazis or Pinochet etc as no party is even hinted to be like them just as no party on the left is trying to be like the Soviets. Our democracy protects us from excesses. Unfortunately true, and that is the problem. The Rightists are by political definition extremists. Hitler started by introducing work camps for his opponents, then the killing of the the mentally ill etc. Then there was the the efforts to get the Jews to emigrate, followed by the decision to put the Jews and selected others into concentration camps, then some eight years after he started Hitler decided on the mass slaughter of the Jews. None of this was even suggested in the years he was fooling people to vote for him. Our democracy will protect us from the excesses right up to the point when serious difficulties arise. Hitler got much of his backing during the German recession caused by reparation payments. He was Horn Shoed into office by the Conservatives who had control when the 1930s depression hit Germany on top of the recession they already had. Circumstances will determine the final outcome.
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Post by see2 on Oct 23, 2024 10:22:30 GMT
LOL anyone who is to the right of Lenin gets See2's back up. As for Reform, I agree it's most unlikely that such a young party would threaten the political status quo, although not impossible. However I think it's not beyond the realms of possibility that Reform UK may have a pivotal roll to play in 2029. If support for the party continues to grow, and with this government I see no reason to imagine otherwise, then Reform could be kingmakers in 2029.
I'd say that is quite likely - what also happens (as we have seen across Europe) is that the existing parties change their policies to match those of the populist upstarts. we see this today in the UK where the Labour Government is rumoured to be reducing the foreign aid budget. It would have absolutely nothing to do with Reform, everything to do with sorting out the economy. If they did. It would also be further proof that Labour is putting the country first without favour to either the Left or the Right.
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