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Post by see2 on Oct 19, 2024 15:45:41 GMT
Nonsense as usual, mass asylum seeking is what started mass immigration. Followed by serious funding by a Labour government. Pillock. When you have no answer just resort to insults. Typical Rightists approach ^^ |
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Post by honestjohn on Oct 19, 2024 15:47:21 GMT
Is Reform the last chance for the population to influence what goes on in parliament?...that to vote blue or red is to vote for the same thing. That pre election time, promises are made, never to be kept, lying is now pervasive, done because the blues and reds know they will win regardless. And the standing dictators, like the reds now, will do what the eff they want, we are powerless, reneging on everything, and the attitude is that we are idiots because we dont get how bad things are. Voting Reform is the last chance, the last chance before what?, the last chance before having to take to the streets, that on a boiler, if the steam cant escape, it blows up, im at that point, that bad news, incompetenance, lying, corruption, stupidity, racism, against the english, sexual perversity, financial incompetance, self server as sholes, indulgent marionnettes are everywhere. Like the french revolution, they live it up while all else goes to hell......OFF WITH THEIR HEADS. Or the Russian revolution, Labour, the Tories are so removed from everyday life thay might as well be wearing a crown, riding in carriages, having servants. When the Labour government crashes, it had better be Reform winning. I suspect you think you are quite intelligent but your forecasts are based on your idiotically biased opinion, proving you are not. Falling for Rightist extremists is a case of "Come into my parlour" said the spider to the fly. I'm not sure why you have to be offensive, perhaps Reform is a subject which gets your back up? The reason I think Reform won't rule is because it is still pretty much a one tracked party, (Brexit/UKIP) one which is also based around one person, Farage. Farage will be 65 come the next election and will probably want to slow down a bit. Tice is useless. As is his gobby girlfriend, it seems. |
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Post by ratcliff on Oct 19, 2024 15:48:26 GMT
I think that even if Kemi Badenoch becomes leader of the Torys there are still many party memebers who are waiting to stab her in he back I voted for her yesterday, only those lefties who have been infiltrating the conservative party since the coalition will be perturbed if she becomes leader |
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Post by thomas on Oct 19, 2024 15:55:39 GMT
I suspect you think you are quite intelligent but your forecasts are based on your idiotically biased opinion, proving you are not. Falling for Rightist extremists is a case of "Come into my parlour" said the spider to the fly. I'm not sure why you have to be offensive, perhaps Reform is a subject which gets your back up? The reason I think Reform won't rule is because it is still pretty much a one tracked party, (Brexit/UKIP) one which is also based around one person, Farage. Farage will be 65 come the next election and will probably want to slow down a bit. Tice is useless. As is his gobby girlfriend, it seems. I think you are merely hope casting , rather then using fact. The facts show that support for the two mainstream parties has largely been falling dramatically for years. I think the two party system largely died after Tony Blairs 1997 electoral victory , when we thought we were getting a Labour Party in government , but got a tory light version instead . Since then , both mainstream parties have spent their time basically fighting over the same ground , and mimicking each other much to the majority of their support bases disgust. Their politics are disliked , stale , and out of touch massively with ordinary peoples concerns , hence why parties like reform and farages previous incarnations are on the rise. I think you display many of the faults that Farage haters often make an error on. Concentrating on the man , rather than asking why people are flocking to his parties past and present. Getting rid of Nigel Farage isnt going to cure the many problems that ail the uk , and certainly isnt going to make the public fall back in love with labour and tory. |
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Post by honestjohn on Oct 19, 2024 16:07:03 GMT
There's only hope for other parties if there is proportional representation, I think, Thomas.
Otherwise Reform would need a huge breakthrough in 2029 and by then the Tories will probably have regained some self-respect.
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Post by thomas on Oct 19, 2024 16:20:26 GMT
There's only hope for other parties if there is proportional representation, I think, Thomas. Otherwise Reform would need a huge breakthrough in 2029 and by then the Tories will probably have regained some self-respect. ahem. The snp under fptp system in 2015 took 50% of the vote and 56/59 seats in scotland. Can you explain why a party such as reform uk couldnt do similar in england? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 19, 2024 16:23:56 GMT
Well that's how it starts isn't it, a bump in the road. UKIP struggled for years but eventually they achieved their aim. People feel let down, lied to, and they're looking for an alternative. Reform UK probably wont win the next election but having said that, who knows what the next five years will bring. Labour and the Tories are very aware that Farage is a very competent operator and Reform UK are going from strength to strength. You mention the Tories recovering their Conservative values, I assume you mean moving back to the centre right, a move I would applaud. But I don't think it will happen. Jenrick and Badenock appear to have moved to the centre right because they know it will appeal to the Tory faithful, but the parliamentary conservative party is full of centrists people like William Hague who keep saying - we must fight the next election from the centre ground. I think Reform UK with Farage at the helm, may well deliver a shockwave through British politics because people are crying out for change, they're sick of being ignored. As I say, who knows what the next five years will bring. Reform did well Red consderi how late it was the game that Farage threw his hat into the ring... Yes indeed, Reform did very well, and although Labour and the Tories wont admit it publicly, they will be quietly worried about the rise of Reform UK. |
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Post by honestjohn on Oct 19, 2024 16:25:18 GMT
There's only hope for other parties if there is proportional representation, I think, Thomas. Otherwise Reform would need a huge breakthrough in 2029 and by then the Tories will probably have regained some self-respect. ahem. The snp under fptp system in 2015 took 50% of the vote and 56/59 seats in scotland. Can you explain why a party such as reform uk couldnt do similar in england? I'd call that a huge breakthrough for the SNP at that time, wouldn't you? |
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Post by thomas on Oct 19, 2024 16:28:55 GMT
ahem. The snp under fptp system in 2015 took 50% of the vote and 56/59 seats in scotland. Can you explain why a party such as reform uk couldnt do similar in england? I'd call that a huge breakthrough for the SNP at that time, wouldn't you? you implied reform couldnt do the same without PR , and I pointed out why this is nonsense. Reform dont need pr. As the snp showed. If parties like reform become popular enough , no amount of gerrymandering is going to stop them. Of course , I fully expect if reform took 20% of the electorate vote like labour , and won 64% of seats , there would be massive howling from the lunatic left and the "lets return to normal politics brigade". |
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Post by thomas on Oct 19, 2024 16:30:32 GMT
Reform did well Red consderi how late it was the game that Farage threw his hat into the ring... Yes indeed, Reform did very well, and although Labour and the Tories wont admit it publicly, they will be quietly worried about the rise of Reform UK. of course they are, thats why there has been continued attempts to shut Farage down , ridicule reform , and why lunatics like see 2 keep calling them extremists. all looking good. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 19, 2024 16:40:11 GMT
Yes indeed, Reform did very well, and although Labour and the Tories wont admit it publicly, they will be quietly worried about the rise of Reform UK. of course they are, thats why there has been continued attempts to shut Farage down , ridicule reform , and why lunatics like see 2 keep calling them extremists. all looking good. See2 like many other Labour leftist, can't get their heads round the fact that Labour were established in 1900 = 124 years ago.
Reform was established in 2018 = 6 years ago
Labour are dumbfounded how a 6 year old party is trashing a 124 year old party in the polls. .... but the rest of us can work it out.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 19, 2024 16:49:42 GMT
of course they are, thats why there has been continued attempts to shut Farage down , ridicule reform , and why lunatics like see 2 keep calling them extremists. all looking good. See2 like many other Labour leftist, can't get their heads round the fact that Labour were established in 1900 = 124 years ago.
Reform was established in 2018 = 6 years ago
Labour are dumbfounded how a 6 year old party is trashing a 124 year old party in the polls. .... but the rest of us can work it out.
Leftists think that left wing politics is a superior political philosophy than modern capitalism. Moreover they believe that socialism will evolve out of capitalism. Apparantly Marx stated that industrialised capitalist societies will naturally morph into socialist ones…lefties think that they are just greasing the wheels . It has all the hallmarks of a cult mentality.. |
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Post by thomas on Oct 19, 2024 18:50:11 GMT
of course they are, thats why there has been continued attempts to shut Farage down , ridicule reform , and why lunatics like see 2 keep calling them extremists. all looking good. See2 like many other Labour leftist, can't get their heads round the fact that Labour were established in 1900 = 124 years ago.
Reform was established in 2018 = 6 years ago
Labour are dumbfounded how a 6 year old party is trashing a 124 year old party in the polls. .... but the rest of us can work it out.
of course , but thats all part of the strategy from labour supporters that we have seen previously in scotland with the snp. lable them as extremist , and imply its futile voting for them. I mind the same thing being said on the streets of Glasgow in the late eighties regarding the snp. The exact same nonsense .Twenty years later , the snp were forming their first minority government. We were told when labour set up the Scottish Parliament under duress , that the "system" being put in place was designed to stop nationalists taking power and holding a majority. We were also told the system left in place In scotland for voting in Westminster elections similarly meant it would be futile to vote anyone but labour or tory. None of these things turned out to be true. I dont think I would be making political calls for the future based on old truisms that are long past their sell by date with the uncertain world we now live in. All across Europe , people are getting pissed off with mass uncontrolled immigration and all the liberal centrist politics .We are clearly in a world that is changing quickly. I see no reason why reform could not become kingmakers in a hung parliament at the next election , or even the largest party . You can smell the fear . |
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Post by see2 on Oct 22, 2024 18:25:46 GMT
I suspect you think you are quite intelligent but your forecasts are based on your idiotically biased opinion, proving you are not. Falling for Rightist extremists is a case of "Come into my parlour" said the spider to the fly. I'm not sure why you have to be offensive, perhaps Reform is a subject which gets your back up? The reason I think Reform won't rule is because it is still pretty much a one tracked party, (Brexit/UKIP) one which is also based around one person, Farage. Farage will be 65 come the next election and will probably want to slow down a bit. Tice is useless. As is his gobby girlfriend, it seems. I tend to be offensive to posters who are, or who usually are offensive to me. Fighting fire with fire is a survival strategy on this forum, certainly after me having wasted so much time being reasonable. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 22, 2024 18:33:58 GMT
of course they are, thats why there has been continued attempts to shut Farage down , ridicule reform , and why lunatics like see 2 keep calling them extremists. all looking good. See2 like many other Labour leftist, can't get their heads round the fact that Labour were established in 1900 = 124 years ago.
Reform was established in 2018 = 6 years ago
Labour are dumbfounded how a 6 year old party is trashing a 124 year old party in the polls. .... but the rest of us can work it out.
, only to expected I suppose. 124 years ago, and have changed dramatically since then. While the Tories remained true to their basic Conservative instinct of making the rich even richer. Don't be silly, Labour's hard line start in balancing the economy is why they are doing so badly at the moment. But this is only the first furlong, its the last furlong that you should be worried about. |
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