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Post by thomas on Oct 19, 2024 15:00:30 GMT
good article here about labour and their lies from Andrew Neil... I like Andrew Neil he doesn't mince his words, and he says it as it is, he never gave the Tories or Johnson a easy ride. I wouldn't say I like him , but he is certainly respected because he doesn't give any politician an easy ride unlike how Labour get smothered in cotton wool by the bbc in scotland. |
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Post by honestjohn on Oct 19, 2024 15:01:10 GMT
I think that anyone who truly cares about the UK will vote reform. There is no alternative at the present time... Oh look a new poster, wonder who that could be .... LOL  Thank you so much for your implied warm and friendly welcome. |
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Post by Bentley on Oct 19, 2024 15:03:17 GMT
Tax and spend , pension grabbing ,identity politics ,pissing billions up the wall on net zero ideological whims.
So fucking predicable.
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Post by see2 on Oct 19, 2024 15:03:19 GMT
Both the Tories, or some of them, and Labour are sneering at Reform UK, which is to be expected. I'll be honest I'm not 100% sold on Reform, yet. But I keep thinking to myself - Labour started mass immigration and against the wishes of the majority the Tories continued with it. So why should I trust either of them in the future. I think I will stick with Reform, and I'm really looking forward to the local elections in May because Reform UK are going to wipe Labour Tory and LibDem councils off the map. Nonsense as usual, mass asylum seeking is what started mass immigration. Followed by serious funding by a Labour government. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 19, 2024 15:05:06 GMT
Oh look a new poster, wonder who that could be .... LOL Thank you so much for your implied warm and friendly welcome. YW |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 19, 2024 15:08:44 GMT
Reform are a bump in the road, a protest vote, they won't govern. The bump in the road was caused by the Tories becoming weak and feckless. When they eventually recover their Conservative values, the bump in the road will disappear. Well that's how it starts isn't it, a bump in the road. UKIP struggled for years but eventually they achieved their aim. People feel let down, lied to, and they're looking for an alternative. Reform UK probably wont win the next election but having said that, who knows what the next five years will bring. Labour and the Tories are very aware that Farage is a very competent operator and Reform UK are going from strength to strength. You mention the Tories recovering their Conservative values, I assume you mean moving back to the centre right, a move I would applaud. But I don't think it will happen. Jenrick and Badenock appear to have moved to the centre right because they know it will appeal to the Tory faithful, but the parliamentary conservative party is full of centrists people like William Hague who keep saying - we must fight the next election from the centre ground. I think Reform UK with Farage at the helm, may well deliver a shockwave through British politics because people are crying out for change, they're sick of being ignored. As I say, who knows what the next five years will bring. |
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Post by see2 on Oct 19, 2024 15:11:48 GMT
Is Reform the last chance for the population to influence what goes on in parliament?...that to vote blue or red is to vote for the same thing. That pre election time, promises are made, never to be kept, lying is now pervasive, done because the blues and reds know they will win regardless. And the standing dictators, like the reds now, will do what the eff they want, we are powerless, reneging on everything, and the attitude is that we are idiots because we dont get how bad things are. Voting Reform is the last chance, the last chance before what?, the last chance before having to take to the streets, that on a boiler, if the steam cant escape, it blows up, im at that point, that bad news, incompetenance, lying, corruption, stupidity, racism, against the english, sexual perversity, financial incompetance, self server as sholes, indulgent marionnettes are everywhere. Like the french revolution, they live it up while all else goes to hell......OFF WITH THEIR HEADS. Or the Russian revolution, Labour, the Tories are so removed from everyday life thay might as well be wearing a crown, riding in carriages, having servants. When the Labour government crashes, it had better be Reform winning. I suspect you think you are quite intelligent but your forecasts are based on your idiotically biased opinion, proving you are not. Falling for Rightist extremists is a case of "Come into my parlour" said the spider to the fly. |
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Post by Red Rackham on Oct 19, 2024 15:12:24 GMT
Both the Tories, or some of them, and Labour are sneering at Reform UK, which is to be expected. I'll be honest I'm not 100% sold on Reform, yet. But I keep thinking to myself - Labour started mass immigration and against the wishes of the majority the Tories continued with it. So why should I trust either of them in the future. I think I will stick with Reform, and I'm really looking forward to the local elections in May because Reform UK are going to wipe Labour Tory and LibDem councils off the map. Nonsense as usual, mass asylum seeking is what started mass immigration. Followed by serious funding by a Labour government. Pillock. |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 19, 2024 15:12:59 GMT
If Labour get away with telling out and out lies during their GE campaign then democracy is well and truly dead, there is no way the Electoral Commission can let them away with saying and promising one thing before the election, then doing the complete opposite when they are elected ... no way aint going to happen.
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Post by Bentley on Oct 19, 2024 15:13:11 GMT
Is Reform the last chance for the population to influence what goes on in parliament?...that to vote blue or red is to vote for the same thing. That pre election time, promises are made, never to be kept, lying is now pervasive, done because the blues and reds know they will win regardless. And the standing dictators, like the reds now, will do what the eff they want, we are powerless, reneging on everything, and the attitude is that we are idiots because we dont get how bad things are. Voting Reform is the last chance, the last chance before what?, the last chance before having to take to the streets, that on a boiler, if the steam cant escape, it blows up, im at that point, that bad news, incompetenance, lying, corruption, stupidity, racism, against the english, sexual perversity, financial incompetance, self server as sholes, indulgent marionnettes are everywhere. Like the french revolution, they live it up while all else goes to hell......OFF WITH THEIR HEADS. Or the Russian revolution, Labour, the Tories are so removed from everyday life thay might as well be wearing a crown, riding in carriages, having servants. When the Labour government crashes, it had better be Reform winning. I suspect you think you are quite intelligent but your forecasts are based on your idiotically biased opinion, proving you are not. Falling for Rightist extremists is a case of "Come into my parlour" said the spider to the fly. Put a sock in it 😁 |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 19, 2024 15:15:08 GMT
I suspect you think you are quite intelligent but your forecasts are based on your idiotically biased opinion, proving you are not. Falling for Rightist extremists is a case of "Come into my parlour" said the spider to the fly. Put a sock in it 😁 Or sausage ...  |
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Post by Fairsociety on Oct 19, 2024 15:18:03 GMT
Let's face it, the writing was on the wall when his first statement as Prime Minister was ..... 'release the sausages' ... it was all downhill from thereon in. vvvv
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Post by jonksy on Oct 19, 2024 15:27:34 GMT
Reform are a bump in the road, a protest vote, they won't govern. The bump in the road was caused by the Tories becoming weak and feckless. When they eventually recover their Conservative values, the bump in the road will disappear. Well that's how it starts isn't it, a bump in the road. UKIP struggled for years but eventually they achieved their aim. People feel let down, lied to, and they're looking for an alternative. Reform UK probably wont win the next election but having said that, who knows what the next five years will bring. Labour and the Tories are very aware that Farage is a very competent operator and Reform UK are going from strength to strength. You mention the Tories recovering their Conservative values, I assume you mean moving back to the centre right, a move I would applaud. But I don't think it will happen. Jenrick and Badenock appear to have moved to the centre right because they know it will appeal to the Tory faithful, but the parliamentary conservative party is full of centrists people like William Hague who keep saying - we must fight the next election from the centre ground. I think Reform UK with Farage at the helm, may well deliver a shockwave through British politics because people are crying out for change, they're sick of being ignored. As I say, who knows what the next five years will bring. Reform did well Red consdering how late it was the game that Farage threw his hat into the ring... |
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Post by thomas on Oct 19, 2024 15:38:12 GMT
Both the Tories, or some of them, and Labour are sneering at Reform UK, which is to be expected. I'll be honest I'm not 100% sold on Reform, yet. But I keep thinking to myself - Labour started mass immigration and against the wishes of the majority the Tories continued with it. So why should I trust either of them in the future. I think I will stick with Reform, and I'm really looking forward to the local elections in May because Reform UK are going to wipe Labour Tory and LibDem councils off the map. Nonsense as usual, mass asylum seeking is what started mass immigration. Followed by serious funding by a Labour government. dont talk rubbish. How immigration came to haunt Labour: the inside story www.theguardian.com/news/2015/mar/24/how-immigration-came-to-haunt-labour-inside-story The Immigration Legacy of Tony Blair www.migrationpolicy.org/article/immigration-legacy-tony-blair In the guardian article , do read the section about how Tony Blair and his government in 2003/4 massively miscalculated eu enlargement , and allowing hordes of migrant workers to flood the uk from the eastern bloc countries . |
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Post by thomas on Oct 19, 2024 15:41:42 GMT
The huge political cost of Blair’s decision to allow Eastern European migrants unfettered access to Britain
In May 2004, the EU welcomed ten new member states – the majority from Central and Eastern Europe – in what was the largest expansion in the history of European integration. The UK was one of only three member states, alongside Sweden and Ireland, to open its labour market to these new EU citizens immediately
Yet this was to be perhaps Tony Blair’s greatest unintended legacy and ultimately a contributor to his party’s electoral defeat in years to come.
theconversation.com/the-huge-political-cost-of-blairs-decision-to-allow-eastern-european-migrants-unfettered-access-to-britain-66077
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