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Post by jonksy on Nov 12, 2024 13:15:19 GMT
Nevertheless my point stands . You responsed to a post and so did I. Reducing private vehicle ownership in the UK can’t be justified by citing Climate change when there are millions of YOUR examples around the world . It has to be social restructuring agenda hidden behind a false premise of saving the world from global warming. Reducing private car ownership in the UK has its own rationale irrespective of any effect that would have on climate change which would be minimal anyway.
Actually a better meta-solution would be to reduce the population instead but that is politically out of bounds, for the present at least. Reducing cars instead is a proxy solution.
What like freezing our pensioners? |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 12, 2024 13:24:07 GMT
Cunt starmer has sold the UK out again at cop 29...
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Post by thomas on Nov 12, 2024 13:24:33 GMT
Important to remember that the moment an Eritrean asylum seeker steps on shore, or a Pakistani 'student' arrives at Heathrow, their level of material consumption, and calls for public services and infrastructure support change from a third-world minimalist model to a first-world hyper-consumerist profile. I think most of us are aware of that dan , with the exception of your friend zany , who cares, and simultaneously wants to accommodate Eddie the Eritrean , his first world material consumption , public services and infrastructure support , because eddie may just very well give up his criminal lifestyle and become the next doctor , while at the same time lecturing us about reducing all of the above to accomodate eddies added emissions. When you start applying the net zero arguments across the board rather than selectively cherry picking , we see the absolute contortions our green friends get themselves into. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 18:12:17 GMT
Cows are very inefficient energy convertors only about 65% of their intake is digested properly. It why they eat constantly. I guess trees are inefficient as well. Do you feel you have lost your bearings yet? That literally makes no sense, but I'm tired and you're not interested in proper conversation. So I'll leave you with the boys. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 18:15:07 GMT
No, the process is the same whether BEV or PHEV. The only difference between the two is the amount of time taken to charge to the desired level.
If charging at home you're likely to be snoozing through the whole thing anyway so who cares?
Zany's point that the time you need to personally be involved in refuelling your vehicle is likely to be less with any EV than with an ICE for the same annual mileage is a sound one.
And as for your bleating about flat-dwellers not be able to charge at home, they can't refuel their ICEV from home either, so what's the difference. In either case you need to take your car to a refuelling station.
There is a huge difference Dan. My local fuel station is less than a quarter of a mile away from my home. And to charge an ev would require a journey of 20 miles or more to recharge.. No one living in a block of flats lives 20 miles from an EV charger. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 12, 2024 18:16:11 GMT
There is a huge difference Dan. My local fuel station is less than a quarter of a mile away from my home. And to charge an ev would require a journey of 20 miles or more to recharge.. No one living in a block of flats lives 20 miles from an EV charger. proof please? |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 18:19:43 GMT
I think it would be a good thing if more people were to come to the realisation that the age of universal and unlimited personal mobility is slowly drawing to a close in Western Europe and in the UK in particular, and started to demand their elected representatives apply themselves to appropriate solutions. Why shouldn people be allowed to have their own transport. And how exactly is merchandise going to rock up in our shops? I don't think Dan is talking about outright bans. Just more of what we see already. More pedestrianised areas, more 20mph zones, more traffic jams, delays etc making cars no longer the popular option for many. Its about that bloody population again. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 12, 2024 18:24:56 GMT
Yes. People will need to live close to work, as used to be the case before cars became commonplace. Or at least close to some means of public transport, as it used to exist in the 1950s (pre-Beeching and pre-Ernest Marples) Where do you think driverless cars, taxis and buses will fit in? My feeling is you'll order one on the app for the time you require and the nearest available one will despatch to collect you and any others on its route. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 12, 2024 18:52:00 GMT
I guess trees are inefficient as well. Do you feel you have lost your bearings yet? That literally makes no sense, but I'm tired and you're not interested in proper conversation. So I'll leave you with the boys. I'll take that as a yes, and give you time to recover |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 12, 2024 21:43:55 GMT
Yes. People will need to live close to work, as used to be the case before cars became commonplace. Or at least close to some means of public transport, as it used to exist in the 1950s (pre-Beeching and pre-Ernest Marples) Where do you think driverless cars, taxis and buses will fit in? My feeling is you'll order one on the app for the time you require and the nearest available one will despatch to collect you and any others on its route. My view is that individual car ownership will diminish considerably and be replaced by a combination of public transport and rented (shared) personal transport especially within urban and suburban areas. Whether the latter are driverless or self-drive remains to be seen, but probably some mix of the two.
None of this works outside these areas so I suspect that 'Escape to the Country' types will either have to be very rich, or retired and therefore not needing to get to work, or recluses happy with the seclusion and isolation that comes with country living late 21C style.
Contrary to the maunderings of many on here none of this will be the consequence of some woke-style conspiracy but rather the inevitable outcome of global market forces and geopolitics which will govern the allocation of increasingly scarce resources amongst the various claimants, with the lion's share going to those who are members of one continental-scale economic bloc or another. Which leaves the UK somewhat out in the cold and dependent on the crumbs that may fall from the rich men's tables.
A harsh but in my view realistic assessment of what awaits for the good ship Blighty and its crew.
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Post by buccaneer on Nov 12, 2024 22:28:39 GMT
Where do you think driverless cars, taxis and buses will fit in? My feeling is you'll order one on the app for the time you require and the nearest available one will despatch to collect you and any others on its route. My view is that individual car ownership will diminish considerably and be replaced by a combination of public transport and rented (shared) personal transport especially within urban and suburban areas. Whether the latter are driverless or self-drive remains to be seen, but probably some mix of the two.
None of this works outside these areas so I suspect that 'Escape to the Country' types will either have to be very rich, or retired and therefore not needing to get to work, or recluses happy with the seclusion and isolation that comes with country living late 21C style.
Contrary to the maunderings of many on here none of this will be the consequence of some woke-style conspiracy but rather the inevitable outcome of global market forces and geopolitics which will govern the allocation of increasingly scarce resources amongst the various claimants, with the lion's share going to those who are members of one continental-scale economic bloc or another. Which leaves the UK somewhat out in the cold and dependent on the crumbs that may fall from the rich men's tables.
A harsh but in my view realistic assessment of what awaits for the good ship Blighty and its crew.
I think you're dreaming and it seems to always boil back down to Brexit with you. If you look at other major cities around the world (not just insular Europe that you often refer to), there is no sign of personal transport slowing down towards a dystopian future like you believe. So, why you think the UK is unique here boils back down to your bitterness over Brexit. Ho hum. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 22:35:12 GMT
Where do you think driverless cars, taxis and buses will fit in? My feeling is you'll order one on the app for the time you require and the nearest available one will despatch to collect you and any others on its route. My view is that individual car ownership will diminish considerably and be replaced by a combination of public transport and rented (shared) personal transport especially within urban and suburban areas. Whether the latter are driverless or self-drive remains to be seen, but probably some mix of the two.
None of this works outside these areas so I suspect that 'Escape to the Country' types will either have to be very rich, or retired and therefore not needing to get to work, or recluses happy with the seclusion and isolation that comes with country living late 21C style.
Contrary to the maunderings of many on here none of this will be the consequence of some woke-style conspiracy but rather the inevitable outcome of global market forces and geopolitics which will govern the allocation of increasingly scarce resources amongst the various claimants, with the lion's share going to those who are members of one continental-scale economic bloc or another. Which leaves the UK somewhat out in the cold and dependent on the crumbs that may fall from the rich men's tables.
A harsh but in my view realistic assessment of what awaits for the good ship Blighty and its crew.
It might be inevitable but the headlong rush to net zero will be the initial driving force . There could be a third option and one that the Baron might like …that’s cheap ,cheerful and disposable EVs from China . Battery operated bubble cars for the country folk . |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 12, 2024 22:39:04 GMT
Yes. People will need to live close to work, as used to be the case before cars became commonplace. Or at least close to some means of public transport, as it used to exist in the 1950s (pre-Beeching and pre-Ernest Marples) Where do you think driverless cars, taxis and buses will fit in? My feeling is you'll order one on the app for the time you require and the nearest available one will despatch to collect you and any others on its route. driverless cars are like cheap renewables - forever promised but never delivered. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 12, 2024 22:41:09 GMT
Where do you think driverless cars, taxis and buses will fit in? My feeling is you'll order one on the app for the time you require and the nearest available one will despatch to collect you and any others on its route. My view is that individual car ownership will diminish considerably and be replaced by a combination of public transport and rented (shared) personal transport especially within urban and suburban areas. Whether the latter are driverless or self-drive remains to be seen, but probably some mix of the two.
None of this works outside these areas so I suspect that 'Escape to the Country' types will either have to be very rich, or retired and therefore not needing to get to work, or recluses happy with the seclusion and isolation that comes with country living late 21C style.
Contrary to the maunderings of many on here none of this will be the consequence of some woke-style conspiracy but rather the inevitable outcome of global market forces and geopolitics which will govern the allocation of increasingly scarce resources amongst the various claimants, with the lion's share going to those who are members of one continental-scale economic bloc or another. Which leaves the UK somewhat out in the cold and dependent on the crumbs that may fall from the rich men's tables.
A harsh but in my view realistic assessment of what awaits for the good ship Blighty and its crew.
what resources are scarce? |
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Post by Red Rackham on Nov 12, 2024 22:49:35 GMT
It might be inevitable but the headlong rush to net zero will be the initial driving force . There could be a third option and one that the Baron might like …that’s cheap ,cheerful and disposable EVs from China . Battery operated bubble cars for the country folk . It would be an environmental disaster. Electric cars are an environmental disaster in the making, eco types just don't know it yet. In years to come when the environmental damage caused by mining billions of tonnes of rare earth metals & minerals in pristine environments is realised, will eco types hate electric cars as they hate petrol cars today? Probably. The most environmentally friendly car is a small petrol car that's well maintained and kept for years. |
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