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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 22:55:54 GMT
It might be inevitable but the headlong rush to net zero will be the initial driving force . There could be a third option and one that the Baron might like …that’s cheap ,cheerful and disposable EVs from China . Battery operated bubble cars for the country folk . It would be an environmental disaster. Electric cars are an environmental disaster in the making, eco types just don't know it yet. In years to come when the environmental damage caused by mining billions of tonnes of rare earth metals & minerals in pristine environments is realised, will eco types hate electric cars as they hate petrol cars today? Probably. The most environmentally friendly car is a small petrol car that's well maintained and kept for years. Well whatever they are the countryside will need free movement of people around its rabbit warren like roads and lanes . Buses and trains are not enough . Too many workers are needed in too many places and petrol cars won’t be around for much longer apparently. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 13, 2024 5:58:03 GMT
what resources are scarce? Food, water, energy, land for starters.
The combination of increasing population and heightened aspirations will increase competition for tradable resources on a global basis over the course of this century, with those who can pay more or who can extract more by other means enjoying enhanced access to whatever resources are available on the international market.
Large scale transfers of population between low-income countries and the West will only exacerbate the problem.
Consider, for example, the 572 channel paddlers who arrived from France last Saturday. On arrival they will have an expectation of receiving a Western style diet which means around 1.5 kg of food and 2.5 liters of water per person per day.
Focusing just on food for the moment, Saturday's arrivals will need 858 kg daily rations to sustain them in the manner to which they expect to be become accustomed, an expectation that officialdom does not trouble itself to correct. Over the course of a year that daily 858 kg translates into 313 t, or the payload of 11 44t trucks.
Since it's unlikely that British suppliers will be able to react swiftly enough to whatever market signals they receive pursuant to the arrival of the 572, if any, it's likely that most if not all of this additional consumption will have to met through imports.
Similar back-of-the envelope calculations could be made for all the other resources that the 572 will consume during their stay with us and, if scaled up to account for the presence, care and feeding of the half-million or more 'regular' migrants who turn up each year, we'll soon arrive at some pretty staggering numbers. And the means of facilitating all of this will have to be sourced on the global market since few if any of the new entrants will be growing their own food, generating their own electricity, building their own homes etc etc and so on. I don't know what proportion of the materials necessary for constructing a new house, say, have to be sourced abroad these days. I'd imagine probably everything apart from the cement and aggregate.
As a great man once said 'Numbers are of the essence'.
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 13, 2024 6:04:42 GMT
Well whatever they are the countryside will need free movement of people around its rabbit warren like roads and lanes . Buses and trains are not enough . Too many workers are needed in too many places and petrol cars won’t be around for much longer apparently. We shouldn't rule out the possibility that the countryside may become largely depopulated, at least far as the working age (non-agricultural) population is concerned.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 13, 2024 6:29:35 GMT
There is a huge difference Dan. My local fuel station is less than a quarter of a mile away from my home. And to charge an ev would require a journey of 20 miles or more to recharge.. Prove it? And I live in a house FFS... |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 13, 2024 6:32:13 GMT
Well whatever they are the countryside will need free movement of people around its rabbit warren like roads and lanes . Buses and trains are not enough . Too many workers are needed in too many places and petrol cars won’t be around for much longer apparently. We shouldn't rule out the possibility that the countryside may become largely depopulated, at least far as the working age (non-agricultural) population is concerned.
Starmer is is speeding up the process by freezing the pensioners... |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 13, 2024 8:40:44 GMT
Where do you think driverless cars, taxis and buses will fit in? My feeling is you'll order one on the app for the time you require and the nearest available one will despatch to collect you and any others on its route. My view is that individual car ownership will diminish considerably and be replaced by a combination of public transport and rented (shared) personal transport especially within urban and suburban areas. Whether the latter are driverless or self-drive remains to be seen, but probably some mix of the two.
None of this works outside these areas so I suspect that 'Escape to the Country' types will either have to be very rich, or retired and therefore not needing to get to work, or recluses happy with the seclusion and isolation that comes with country living late 21C style.
Contrary to the maunderings of many on here none of this will be the consequence of some woke-style conspiracy but rather the inevitable outcome of global market forces and geopolitics which will govern the allocation of increasingly scarce resources amongst the various claimants, with the lion's share going to those who are members of one continental-scale economic bloc or another. Which leaves the UK somewhat out in the cold and dependent on the crumbs that may fall from the rich men's tables.
A harsh but in my view realistic assessment of what awaits for the good ship Blighty and its crew.
My primary reason for remaining in the EU despite other faults was its bargaining power. If you're a poor country (Or one with a lot of low paid "poor" workers) you can bargain simply by being cheaper. If you are a country with a first world standard of living this option is very limited and you need to use your purchasing power to get the deals you need. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 13, 2024 8:51:12 GMT
what resources are scarce? Food, water, energy, land for starters. I dont see how possible shortages any of those are mitigated by belonging to a particular economic bloc. Food is the only one that we are really short of and in many ways that is self inflicted an a simple change in Government policy could mitigate that. |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 13, 2024 9:14:16 GMT
No one living in a block of flats lives 20 miles from an EV charger. Prove it? And I live in a house FFS... I said anyone living in a block of flats, not you living in a block of flats. Learn to read FFS. Blocks of flats are all in towns and cities, all towns and cities have multiple charging points. Its simple logic. Prove it, just means you haven't understood that basic fact. |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 13, 2024 9:18:56 GMT
Prove it? And I live in a house FFS... I said anyone living in a block of flats, not you living in a block of flats. Learn to read FFS. Blocks of flats are all in towns and cities, all towns and cities have multiple charging points. Its simple logic. Prove it, just means you haven't understood that basic fact. Not ALL flats have access to charge ev's so yet again it can be filed in planet zanys bullshit trashcan. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 13, 2024 9:31:16 GMT
Well whatever they are the countryside will need free movement of people around its rabbit warren like roads and lanes . Buses and trains are not enough . Too many workers are needed in too many places and petrol cars won’t be around for much longer apparently. We shouldn't rule out the possibility that the countryside may become largely depopulated, at least far as the working age (non-agricultural) population is concerned.
Indeed. The left in the UK may complete its ethnic cleansing project and everyone will be forced to live in one gigantic tower block in tower hamlets |
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Post by zanygame on Nov 13, 2024 9:36:26 GMT
I said anyone living in a block of flats, not you living in a block of flats. Learn to read FFS. Blocks of flats are all in towns and cities, all towns and cities have multiple charging points. Its simple logic. Prove it, just means you haven't understood that basic fact. Not ALL flats have access to charge ev's so yet again it can be filed in planet zanys bullshit trashcan. You bullshitted that they would need to travel 20 miles to charge their EV. It was bullshit and you know it. Grow a pair. |
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Post by thomas on Nov 13, 2024 9:42:00 GMT
Prove it? And I live in a house FFS... I said anyone living in a block of flats, not you living in a block of flats. Learn to read FFS. Blocks of flats are all in towns and cities, all towns and cities have multiple charging points. Its simple logic. Prove it, just means you haven't understood that basic fact. if you live in a block of flats in Dumbarton , which is roughly 21 miles from Glasgow city centre , there are four charging stations along the way , one on the road to the city centre , three out of the way, often broken , unusable , (providing you can get charging space on the ones that are in use) and very expensive compared to being able to charge at home on a special night rate. Thats in west Central Scotland , with a tiny amount of EVs on the road at present. Inconvenient. Expensive. Those two words yet again............ |
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Post by jonksy on Nov 13, 2024 9:43:10 GMT
Not ALL flats have access to charge ev's so yet again it can be filed in planet zanys bullshit trashcan. You bullshitted that they would need to travel 20 miles to charge their EV. It was bullshit and you know it. Grow a pair. There are people who or would have to travel even further than that zany thats why evs are a non starter... |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 13, 2024 9:43:38 GMT
@orac: Even I'm not that pessimistic.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 13, 2024 9:43:47 GMT
Well whatever they are the countryside will need free movement of people around its rabbit warren like roads and lanes . Buses and trains are not enough . Too many workers are needed in too many places and petrol cars won’t be around for much longer apparently. We shouldn't rule out the possibility that the countryside may become largely depopulated, at least far as the working age (non-agricultural) population is concerned.
Don’t be ridiculous. The country isn’t a wild place full of bunnies and Brocks. It’s a huge natural factory spread over large area . |
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