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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 11:46:20 GMT
Try selling that Bullshit to the land of cars ie the USA. This isn't Wyoming where teenagers drive 50 miles for a Big Mac in their 7-liter pickup truck. But they are producing more CO2 than a 10 mile trip to the shops in a 1 litre car in England . Once again an extreme example is used to make a non point . |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 11:50:10 GMT
In the long term 15 minute villages will be forced on to the public . Flats will be more common too..imo.
In some respects Dan is just reflecting reality imo .
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 12, 2024 11:50:29 GMT
Yes. People will need to live close to work, as used to be the case before cars became commonplace. Or at least close to some means of public transport, as it used to exist in the 1950s (pre-Beeching and pre-Ernest Marples)
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Post by jonksy on Nov 12, 2024 11:52:35 GMT
Yes. People will need to live close to work, as used to be the case before cars became commonplace. Or at least close to some means of public transport, as it used to exist in the 1950s (pre-Beeching and pre-Ernest Marples) FFS some people travel hundreds of miles to their work. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 11:53:05 GMT
Yes. People will need to live close to work, as used to be the case before cars became commonplace. Or at least close to some means of public transport, as it used to exist in the 1950s (pre-Beeching and pre-Ernest Marples) That would take a huge investment. I’m not sure that an economy impoverished by forced net zero will be able to afford it . Ironic really that the net zero nut victory might be a pyrrhic one. |
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Post by Orac on Nov 12, 2024 11:58:42 GMT
I think it would be a good thing if more people were to come to the realisation that the age of universal and unlimited personal mobility is slowly drawing to a close in Western Europe and in the UK in particular I think this is odd wording. It is being closed down by the government |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 12, 2024 12:02:16 GMT
This isn't Wyoming where teenagers drive 50 miles for a Big Mac in their 7-liter pickup truck. But they are producing more CO2 than a 10 mile trip to the shops in a 1 litre car in England . Once again an extreme example is used to make a non point . People need to dispel the notion that Britain is simply a scaled down version of the United States with a similar resource profile which supports similar aspirations for material consumption. I know that is the mindset which has been encouraged to spread owing to US cultural hegemony (and craven politicians) but it simply won't work for the UK in the longer term.
Sooner rather than later the British will need to settle on their own model for a sustainable future especially since it is no longer part of a regional economic bloc.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 12:09:09 GMT
But they are producing more CO2 than a 10 mile trip to the shops in a 1 litre car in England . Once again an extreme example is used to make a non point . People need to dispel the notion that Britain is simply a scaled down version of the United States with a similar resource profile which supports similar aspirations for material consumption. I know that is the mindset which has been encouraged to spread owing to US cultural hegemony (and craven politicians) but it simply won't work for the UK in the longer term.
Sooner rather than later the British will need to settle on their own model for a sustainable future especially since it is no longer part of a regional economic bloc.
Nevertheless my point stands . You responsed to a post and so did I. Reducing private vehicle ownership in the UK can’t be justified by citing Climate change when there are millions of YOUR examples around the world . It has to be social restructuring agenda hidden behind a false premise of saving the world from global warming. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 12, 2024 12:22:24 GMT
People need to dispel the notion that Britain is simply a scaled down version of the United States with a similar resource profile which supports similar aspirations for material consumption. I know that is the mindset which has been encouraged to spread owing to US cultural hegemony (and craven politicians) but it simply won't work for the UK in the longer term.
Sooner rather than later the British will need to settle on their own model for a sustainable future especially since it is no longer part of a regional economic bloc.
Nevertheless my point stands . You responsed to a post and so did I. Reducing private vehicle ownership in the UK can’t be justified by citing Climate change when there are millions of YOUR examples around the world . It has to be social restructuring agenda hidden behind a false premise of saving the world from global warming. Reducing private car ownership in the UK has its own rationale irrespective of any effect that would have on climate change which would be minimal anyway.
Actually a better meta-solution would be to reduce the population instead but that is politically out of bounds, for the present at least. Reducing cars instead is a proxy solution.
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Post by thomas on Nov 12, 2024 12:30:46 GMT
Nevertheless my point stands . You responsed to a post and so did I. Reducing private vehicle ownership in the UK can’t be justified by citing Climate change when there are millions of YOUR examples around the world . It has to be social restructuring agenda hidden behind a false premise of saving the world from global warming.
Actually a better meta-solution would be to reduce the population instead but that is politically out of bounds, for the present at least.
The large elephant in the room regarding the whole net zero , wider climate discussion , among much else. |
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Post by Bentley on Nov 12, 2024 12:45:58 GMT
Nevertheless my point stands . You responsed to a post and so did I. Reducing private vehicle ownership in the UK can’t be justified by citing Climate change when there are millions of YOUR examples around the world . It has to be social restructuring agenda hidden behind a false premise of saving the world from global warming. Reducing private car ownership in the UK has its own rationale irrespective of any effect that would have on climate change which would be minimal anyway.
Actually a better meta-solution would be to reduce the population instead but that is politically out of bounds, for the present at least. Reducing cars instead is a proxy solution.
As I said a social restructuring agenda hidden behind a false premise of saving the world from global warming . Anyone who believes that a better solution wouod be too reduce the population can easily support their claim by killing themselves and reducing it by one . Until then all just file it with the “ let them eat cake “ net zero nuts who can afford EVs and want to press them on to an unwilling public . |
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Post by Orac on Nov 12, 2024 12:47:32 GMT
Actually a better meta-solution would be to reduce the population instead but that is politically out of bounds, for the present at least.
The large elephant in the room regarding the whole net zero , wider climate discussion , among much else. It seems, in the same way that you can't both have your cake and eat it, we can't have cars and flood our towns and cities with Eritrean fraudsters. The government had to choose one or the other. |
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Post by sandypine on Nov 12, 2024 12:53:46 GMT
Yes. People will need to live close to work, as used to be the case before cars became commonplace. Or at least close to some means of public transport, as it used to exist in the 1950s (pre-Beeching and pre-Ernest Marples) This does not gel with the EU whereby freedom to work in any location was approved and travel to and from that was as the individual saw fit. Brits working in Italy was expected and families staying put was often the case. I worked in civils and the incidence of being 5 hours from home was frequent enough to be irritating and weekends home was the only option |
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Post by thomas on Nov 12, 2024 12:58:21 GMT
The large elephant in the room regarding the whole net zero , wider climate discussion , among much else. It seems, in the same way that you can't both have your cake and eat it, we can't have cars and flood our towns and cities with Eritrean fraudsters. The government had to choose one or the other. as the wider discussion develops ,the hypocrisies , the double standards , the exceptionalism from certain individuals and of course governments becomes ever more apparent on net zero and many other subjects. I dont believe any western government will do anything about the wider migration problem , but I do believe as scientists predict , on the subject of global human overpopulation , Mother Nature will eventually take care of this for us. What is it , we have went from circa 1 billion people in 1800 , to 8 billion 200 years later , with predictions of a peak global population of around 12 billion before it starts falling dramatically? I won't be here to see it thankfully , but it would be interesting to see how the "we need more working people to pay for the previous retired generation" argument develops once it comes to the block in the road . It will certainly deal with all the symptoms and side effects like housing , "personal unlimited mobility" , emissions and much else. For the moment , we just need to keep nodding sarcastically to the pub bores and carry on as normal. |
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Post by Dan Dare on Nov 12, 2024 13:12:50 GMT
Important to remember that the moment an Eritrean asylum seeker steps on shore, or a Pakistani 'student' arrives at Heathrow, their level of material consumption, and calls for public services and infrastructure support change from a third-world minimalist model to a first-world hyper-consumerist profile.
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