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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2024 10:21:05 GMT
And it was doing so well, what a shame. Well it was doing better until the labour shitshow got in. We virtually had full employment under the Tories..Plus the Tories had a pandemic, and an illegal invasion of the Ukraine plus rising fuel costs. But dont let the truth impair your vision zany. I wonder what size labours blackhole will be when they are kicked out? I assure you it was not doing better No reflection on the Tory party historically, I voted for them several times historically, but this last lot were the worst bunch of useless shysters I have ever seen. Rising gas costs, but why did they insist on making every fuel source price continue to be based on stupid war driven gas prices. Someone made a shit load of money out of that scam.
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Post by sheepy on Nov 2, 2024 10:21:53 GMT
The public sector needs constant legislation to have something it can control; I am not sure it can be infinite, which is why they love the EU so much as a whole, it creates constant legislation on a daily basis. Yes - and it applies to government in general - the more complicated everything is the more their dominion and power expands. In the end you get a population that can't perform day-day tasks without hiring a team of lawyers and applying for a string of grants and licenses There is an old saying what the eye doesn't see the heart doesn't grieve over, it is a constant cloak.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 2, 2024 10:22:18 GMT
I'm not interested in this aspect of the conversation. I don't think any sensible people are. The increasingly widespread problem we have with many right wingers - here as everywhere else - is they want us to debate some fake reality or conspiracy theory they choose to believe in but which in fact is obvious nonsense to most intelligent people. Best ignored. I do a lot of ignoring on this forum, lol But we're not talking fake reality: We're talking about the real, here & now effects of the real here & now budget.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 2, 2024 10:22:52 GMT
Well it was doing better until the labour shitshow got in. We virtually had full employment under the Tories..Plus the Tories had a pandemic, and an illegal invasion of the Ukraine plus rising fuel costs. But dont let the truth impair your vision zany. I wonder what size labours blackhole will be when they are kicked out? I assure you it was not doing better No reflection on the Tory party historically, I voted for them several times historically, but this last lot were the worst bunch of useless shysters I have ever seen. Rising gas costs, but why did they insist on making every fuel source price continue to be based on stupid war driven gas prices. Someone made a shit load of money out of that scam. BOLLOCKS...
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2024 10:22:54 GMT
How long before you start addressing the current reality. I already did: See above. No you harked back to the election. We have a Labour government now, I wish to discuss what they are doing. But that doesn't mean you aren't allowed to just moan about the election you lost, it just means I'm not interested.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2024 10:24:10 GMT
I assure you it was not doing better No reflection on the Tory party historically, I voted for them several times historically, but this last lot were the worst bunch of useless shysters I have ever seen. Rising gas costs, but why did they insist on making every fuel source price continue to be based on stupid war driven gas prices. Someone made a shit load of money out of that scam. BOLLOCKS... Sorry you ran out of argument. never mind.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 2, 2024 10:24:23 GMT
Wages will be depressed due to employer increased NI contributions, mortgage rates and interest rates will remain high, council taxes will increase, inflation will reduce disposable income and unemployment will increase, uncontrolled immigration will depress wages and net zero will finally grind the country to a standstill. Let us know how you get on, I will be interested from my armchair. Absolutely.
And we have Zany voting for this entirely predictable shit-show and now complaining about the results.
How stupid is that?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2024 10:24:45 GMT
I'll start with the ever repeated erroneous claim, that business will just pass costs on. This assumes we were not already charging the most the public are willing to pay. I assure you we are. But my concern is not about increased costs, Most of my staff are already paid more than the minimum wage because if you don't, you only get crap staff no one else wants. NI contributions are yet another tax put on businesses that have no vote or say, and again another tax not based on profit or your ability to pay. Business rates are returning in April, that's a big one for us, that went unnoticed. But all that pales into insignificance against SALES. If the public were feeling confident then we would be seeing sales begin to rise and the new taxes we are asked to find would be easily accommodated. What most business wants is a stable growing economy, far more than perks or tax cuts. I think it is fair to say that businesses will try to pass costs on. It is always a balance. When my retail premises rent went up I had to consider how to keep my income on an even keel. The bread and butter sellers had to stay the same as they were at a maximum but some of the more specialist items saw a rise. It was never easy and the market being fickle mad it doubly so. In the event of increased costs, businesses have limited options. Unless margins are large enough or waste great enough for these costs to be absorbed, they have to be passed on somehow for the business to remain viable. This can mean higher prices where customers are willing and able to pay them. They can be met by lower staff pay rises where pay is not already at a legal minimum. They can be met by overtime cuts or staff cuts, attempting to make existing staff do more. They may be met by attempting to streamline the business so that it needs fewer managers. Or they might be met by actually selling off less profitable parts of the business. Either way, if the business cannot afford to simply absorb the increased costs as most probably couldnt, they will have to be passed on somehow, in one or more of the above ways, depending upon which options are most viable for the business concerned. Even in the same sector - eg retail in my case - different options might be open to different businesses. Waitrose for example broadly targets wealthier customers who are far more interested in quality and far less concerned about price. Waitrose might well be better able to pass on costs to customers in the form of higher prices than Tesco ever could for example, particularly on it's quality ranges. Tesco would probably have to do what it has already been doing - streamlining it's operation to need fewer managers and making the remaining ones do more, try to limit wage costs by less overtime and lower staffing levels, making existing staff far more multi-skilled for greater efficiency, and if necessary lower pay rises than would be liked. But Tesco is suffering chronically high staff turnover already as people keep leaving for better jobs, which is itself providing market pressure to keep pay as competitively high as they can reasonable sustain whilst remaining competitive. If pay ever fell to any legal minimum, Tesco would seriously struggle to recruit and retain enough staff to remain viable in some areas. Already it relies very heavily on younger workers. And this is because it pays the going rate for the job regardless of age. This means that even a 16 year old doing the same job as me gets the same £12.02 per hour as me. Which is I think as it should be. But this is so far above the minimum wage for this age group that Tesco is a very attractive employer for such young people. It also has so many stores in so many towns that it appeals very much to university students because it allows them to work at a store in their home towns when not at uni and in their uni towns when they are. For these reasons Tesco remains an attractive employer for young people, but staff turnover remains just as high amongst these people simply because after graduating most of them have hopes and plans to go on to bigger and better things. None of them plan to work in retail for the rest of their lives.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 2, 2024 10:25:41 GMT
I already did: See above. No you harked back to the election. We have a Labour government now, I wish to discuss what they are doing. But that doesn't mean you aren't allowed to just moan about the election you lost, it just means I'm not interested. We all know we have a labour government they and the shitfaces who voted for them make sure we dont forget..And labour never won the Tories lost the GE FFS.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 2, 2024 10:27:29 GMT
I already did: See above. No you harked back to the election. We have a Labour government now, I wish to discuss what they are doing. But that doesn't mean you aren't allowed to just moan about the election you lost, it just means I'm not interested. Then you obviously missed the part where I said:
Anyways, back to the plot: The budget will raise prices and increase inflation & unemployment.
But then you often miss things, like the inevitable results of voting Labour.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 2, 2024 10:27:36 GMT
Sorry you ran out of argument. never mind. Whats the point in trying to debate with a lefty troll who takes the word of a snotty nosed kid rather than those from experts?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2024 10:27:55 GMT
Sorry you ran out of argument. never mind. He is on my ignore list because it is very rare he ever has an intelligent argument.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 2, 2024 10:28:35 GMT
Sorry you ran out of argument. never mind. Whats the point in trying to debate with a lefty troll who takes the word of a snotty nosed kid rather than those from experts? A troll who votes Labour and then complains of the consequences.
That's a special kind of stupid.
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Post by Rebirth on Nov 2, 2024 10:31:55 GMT
Wages will be depressed due to employer increased NI contributions, mortgage rates and interest rates will remain high, council taxes will increase, inflation will reduce disposable income and unemployment will increase, uncontrolled immigration will depress wages and net zero will finally grind the country to a standstill. Let us know how you get on, I will be interested from my armchair. Absolutely.
And we have Zany voting for this entirely predictable shit-show and now complaining about the results.
How stupid is that?
It was predictable from that which is so stupid. The rest of us were twiddling our thumbs observing the fact that the Tories didn't even bother to campaign, because they knew even the British people aren't dumb enough to keep voting for a pack of lying New Labourites pretending to be something else. Now that Labour are fking everything up and gaining a lot of resentment from the 20% of the populatation stupid enough to vote for them, I can see things shaking up. If not then the country flatlines.
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Post by sheepy on Nov 2, 2024 10:32:09 GMT
Whats the point in trying to debate with a lefty troll who takes the word of a snotty nosed kid rather than those from experts? A troll who votes Labour and then complains of the consequences.
That's a special kind of stupid.
Except when they were riding high on the euphoria, I told them that is exactly what would happen.
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