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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2024 10:32:44 GMT
Sorry you ran out of argument. never mind. Whats the point in trying to debate with a lefty troll who takes the word of a snotty nosed kid rather than those from experts? Says the prat whose bible is the Daily Mail. lol. Still at least you made me laugh.
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Post by Rebirth on Nov 2, 2024 10:37:10 GMT
Whats the point in trying to debate with a lefty troll who takes the word of a snotty nosed kid rather than those from experts? Says the prat whose bible is the Daily Mail. lol. Still at least you made me laugh. Shouldn't you be calling it the "Daily Wail" to impress your mentally ill friends?
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2024 10:42:21 GMT
I think it is fair to say that businesses will try to pass costs on. It is always a balance. When my retail premises rent went up I had to consider how to keep my income on an even keel. The bread and butter sellers had to stay the same as they were at a maximum but some of the more specialist items saw a rise. It was never easy and the market being fickle mad it doubly so. In the event of increased costs, businesses have limited options. Unless margins are large enough or waste great enough for these costs to be absorbed, they have to be passed on somehow for the business to remain viable. This can mean higher prices where customers are willing and able to pay them. They can be met by lower staff pay rises where pay is not already at a legal minimum. They can be met by overtime cuts or staff cuts, attempting to make existing staff do more. They may be met by attempting to streamline the business so that it needs fewer managers. Or they might be met by actually selling off less profitable parts of the business. Either way, if the business cannot afford to simply absorb the increased costs as most probably couldnt, they will have to be passed on somehow, in one or more of the above ways, depending upon which options are most viable for the business concerned. Even in the same sector - eg retail in my case - different options might be open to different businesses. Waitrose for example broadly targets wealthier customers who are far more interested in quality and far less concerned about price. Waitrose might well be better able to pass on costs to customers in the form of higher prices than Tesco ever could for example, particularly on it's quality ranges. Tesco would probably have to do what it has already been doing - streamlining it's operation to need fewer managers and making the remaining ones do more, try to limit wage costs by less overtime and lower staffing levels, making existing staff far more multi-skilled for greater efficiency, and if necessary lower pay rises than would be liked. But Tesco is suffering chronically high staff turnover already as people keep leaving for better jobs, which is itself providing market pressure to keep pay as competitively high as they can reasonable sustain whilst remaining competitive. If pay ever fell to any legal minimum, Tesco would seriously struggle to recruit and retain enough staff to remain viable in some areas. Already it relies very heavily on younger workers. And this is because it pays the going rate for the job regardless of age. This means that even a 16 year old doing the same job as me gets the same £12.02 per hour as me. Which is I think as it should be. But this is so far above the minimum wage for this age group that Tesco is a very attractive employer for such young people. It also has so many stores in so many towns that it appeals very much to university students because it allows them to work at a store in their home towns when not at uni and in their uni towns when they are. For these reasons Tesco remains an attractive employer for young people, but staff turnover remains just as high amongst these people simply because after graduating most of them have hopes and plans to go on to bigger and better things. None of them plan to work in retail for the rest of their lives. You missed an option Benn. They can go bankrupt, shut down, cease trading as have so many pubs, restaurants etc. Tesco focuses on younger lower paid workers because the jobs are unskilled, so turnover is not really a problem. these are also the jobs it is easiest to replace with technology. We have a number of students doing unskilled work, but we pay them more than the minimum wage because if you don't you only get people who don't work at all, steal from you, don't turn up for shifts etc. The hospitality industry I am in is one of the few places left where replacing humans with computers is difficult, but even we are looking at it all the time as the economy dives and sales fall. I would respectfully ask you to consider the sales side of business, when looking at the employment side. The idea that business can always find the money by some trickery is just not true.
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2024 10:45:11 GMT
No you harked back to the election. We have a Labour government now, I wish to discuss what they are doing. But that doesn't mean you aren't allowed to just moan about the election you lost, it just means I'm not interested. Then you obviously missed the part where I said:
Anyways, back to the plot: The budget will raise prices and increase inflation & unemployment.
But then you often miss things, like the inevitable results of voting Labour.
I often miss things because of my ADHD (Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder) So I apologise. If pointed out where I miss stuff I always address the points made. However in this case your sweeping statement contained nothing for me to address.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 2, 2024 10:52:35 GMT
Whats the point in trying to debate with a lefty troll who takes the word of a snotty nosed kid rather than those from experts? Says the prat whose bible is the Daily Mail. lol. Still at least you made me laugh. FFS every media in the land is showing up labour for the shitshow that they are..Whats starmers popularity at the present time?
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Post by Rebirth on Nov 2, 2024 10:54:02 GMT
Then you obviously missed the part where I said:
But then you often miss things, like the inevitable results of voting Labour.
I often miss things because of my ADHD (Attention deficit hyperactivity disorder) So I apologise. If pointed out where I miss stuff I always address the points made. However in this case your sweeping statement contained nothing for me to address. Did you instruct MrBenn to delete hist last post? Is this part of the rules of engagement?
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Post by jonksy on Nov 2, 2024 11:03:24 GMT
Says the prat whose bible is the Daily Mail. lol. Still at least you made me laugh. Shouldn't you be calling it the "Daily Wail" to impress your mentally ill friends? And according to the liar he has blocked me FFS...
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Post by Rebirth on Nov 2, 2024 11:05:38 GMT
Shouldn't you be calling it the "Daily Wail" to impress your mentally ill friends? And according to the liar he has blocked me FFS... I'm sure Zanygame will have him vigorously whipped for responding to you. List of people we have to ignore (giggles).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 2, 2024 11:05:55 GMT
In the event of increased costs, businesses have limited options. Unless margins are large enough or waste great enough for these costs to be absorbed, they have to be passed on somehow for the business to remain viable. This can mean higher prices where customers are willing and able to pay them. They can be met by lower staff pay rises where pay is not already at a legal minimum. They can be met by overtime cuts or staff cuts, attempting to make existing staff do more. They may be met by attempting to streamline the business so that it needs fewer managers. Or they might be met by actually selling off less profitable parts of the business. Either way, if the business cannot afford to simply absorb the increased costs as most probably couldnt, they will have to be passed on somehow, in one or more of the above ways, depending upon which options are most viable for the business concerned. Even in the same sector - eg retail in my case - different options might be open to different businesses. Waitrose for example broadly targets wealthier customers who are far more interested in quality and far less concerned about price. Waitrose might well be better able to pass on costs to customers in the form of higher prices than Tesco ever could for example, particularly on it's quality ranges. Tesco would probably have to do what it has already been doing - streamlining it's operation to need fewer managers and making the remaining ones do more, try to limit wage costs by less overtime and lower staffing levels, making existing staff far more multi-skilled for greater efficiency, and if necessary lower pay rises than would be liked. But Tesco is suffering chronically high staff turnover already as people keep leaving for better jobs, which is itself providing market pressure to keep pay as competitively high as they can reasonable sustain whilst remaining competitive. If pay ever fell to any legal minimum, Tesco would seriously struggle to recruit and retain enough staff to remain viable in some areas. Already it relies very heavily on younger workers. And this is because it pays the going rate for the job regardless of age. This means that even a 16 year old doing the same job as me gets the same £12.02 per hour as me. Which is I think as it should be. But this is so far above the minimum wage for this age group that Tesco is a very attractive employer for such young people. It also has so many stores in so many towns that it appeals very much to university students because it allows them to work at a store in their home towns when not at uni and in their uni towns when they are. For these reasons Tesco remains an attractive employer for young people, but staff turnover remains just as high amongst these people simply because after graduating most of them have hopes and plans to go on to bigger and better things. None of them plan to work in retail for the rest of their lives. You missed an option Benn. They can go bankrupt, shut down, cease trading as have so many pubs, restaurants etc. Tesco focuses on younger lower paid workers because the jobs are unskilled, so turnover is not really a problem. these are also the jobs it is easiest to replace with technology. We have a number of students doing unskilled work, but we pay them more than the minimum wage because if you don't you only get people who don't work at all, steal from you, don't turn up for shifts etc. The hospitality industry I am in is one of the few places left where replacing humans with computers is difficult, but even we are looking at it all the time as the economy dives and sales fall. I would respectfully ask you to consider the sales side of business, when looking at the employment side. The idea that business can always find the money by some trickery is just not true. I understand the sales side. Which is precisely why I think there is little scope for Tesco to pass on increased costs to existing customers without losing them. And there is an obvious intent to reduce over time the number of manned tills to replace them with self service options, where in my store 8 such tills are overseen by only two staff. However, they cannot go any faster or further with such developments than customers will sustain. Because large numbers of particularly older customers refuse to use them, and in places where too few manned tills remain, they have lost more money from customers going elsewhere than they have saved on staffing, not to mention the fact that such tills are a shoplifters' paradise. If my store got rid of all it's manned tills, what would happen is that a large chunk of its customers would go elsewhere. In the final analysis such automated self service options can only be carried as far as customers are willing to accept. Some, particularly younger people or those with small shops are happy enough to use them, but just as many, particularly those with big loads, tend not to be. There is a scan as you shop option that relies utterly on customer honesty - what could possibly go wrong, lol - but because so much was being lost this way by customers not scanning everything, we have had to institute such frequent random scans that it is both seriously hindering manpower savings and deterring customers from using the system because they are finding that it often takes longer than doing it the old fashioned way. So full automation is unlikely to happen soon. It is not the golden bullet those not working in the retail sector assume it is. I anticipate over the next few years a gradual increase in the number of self service tills and reduction in the number of manned tills. But fully automated for most stores is at least a couple of decades away even if viable at all because there are still too many customers who won't wear it. Any store going too far risks losing too many customers to rivals. As Tesco itself has learned in some cases. Earlier this year it halted it's rollout of self service options because of this so they could rethink, and now the plan is to expand their use more slowly and gradually. For instance my store recently increased self service tills from 6 to 8 whilst removing just one of the manned checkouts. There is an obvious push to try and persuade more customers to use self service, but there are still many who blatantly refuse and would rather queue for as long as it takes. I doubt it will go any further in my store until this balance shifts further in favour of the self service option in regards to customer preferences.
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Post by jonksy on Nov 2, 2024 11:10:00 GMT
Ryanair will axe thousands of UK flights after hike in air duty...... Ryanair's chief executive has slammed Labour's 'idiotic' decision to hike air passenger duty (APD) in the autumn budget, as thousands of flights face being axed. On Wednesday, the Chancellor announced an increase of 15 per cent in APD on economy seats to European hotspots such as Spain, Greece, Portugal and Italy..... The duty - a stealth levy known as the 'holiday tax' - will increase by £2 to £15 for these flights. Ryanair boss Michael O'Leary accused Rachel Reeves of a short-sighted tax grab and that she has 'no clue how to deliver growth in the UK economy'. As a result of the rise in APD, the airline said it would cut UK capacity by as much as 10 per cent next year which is the equivalent of a reduction of around 5million passengers.....
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Post by zanygame on Nov 2, 2024 11:22:51 GMT
You missed an option Benn. They can go bankrupt, shut down, cease trading as have so many pubs, restaurants etc. Tesco focuses on younger lower paid workers because the jobs are unskilled, so turnover is not really a problem. these are also the jobs it is easiest to replace with technology. We have a number of students doing unskilled work, but we pay them more than the minimum wage because if you don't you only get people who don't work at all, steal from you, don't turn up for shifts etc. The hospitality industry I am in is one of the few places left where replacing humans with computers is difficult, but even we are looking at it all the time as the economy dives and sales fall. I would respectfully ask you to consider the sales side of business, when looking at the employment side. The idea that business can always find the money by some trickery is just not true. I understand the sales side. Which is precisely why I think there is little scope for Tesco to pass on increased costs to existing customers without losing them. And there is an obvious intent to reduce over time the number of manned tills to replace them with self service options, where in my store 8 such tills are overseen by only two staff. However, they cannot go any faster or further with such developments than customers will sustain. Because large numbers of particularly older customers refuse to use them, and in places where too few manned tills remain, they have lost more money from customers going elsewhere than they have saved on staffing, not to mention the fact that such tills are a shoplifters' paradise. If my store got rid of all it's manned tills, what would happen is that a large chunk of its customers would go elsewhere. In the final analysis such automated self service options can only be carried as far as customers are willing to accept. Some, particularly younger people or those with small shops are happy enough to use them, but just as many, particularly those with big loads, tend not to be. There is a scan as you shop option that relies utterly on customer honesty - what could possibly go wrong, lol - but because so much was being lost this way by customers not scanning everything, we have had to institute such frequent random scans that it is both seriously hindering manpower savings and deterring customers from using the system because they are finding that it often takes longer than doing it the old fashioned way. So full automation is unlikely to happen soon. It is not the golden bullet those not working in the retail sector assume it is. I anticipate over the next few years a gradual increase in the number of self service tills and reduction in the number of manned tills. But fully automated for most stores is at least a couple of decades away even if viable at all because there are still too many customers who won't wear it. Any store going too far risks losing too many customers to rivals. As Tesco itself has learned in some cases. Earlier this year it halted it's rollout of self service options because of this so they could rethink, and now the plan is to expand their use more slowly and gradually. For instance my store recently increased self service tills from 6 to 8 whilst removing just one of the manned checkouts. There is an obvious push to try and persuade more customers to use self service, but there are still many who blatantly refuse and would rather queue for as long as it takes. I doubt it will go any further in my store until this balance shifts further in favour of the self service option in regards to customer preferences. I think the next big change you will see is virtual shopping. You will wander round the store scanning empty packages and collect your goods from an automated service at the checkout. A friend of mine is a lens scientist and he is doing a lot of work on automated picking machines at the moment. But you make a point well. At the moment there is little opportunity for business to suck up more costs without growth.
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Post by Bentley on Nov 2, 2024 11:23:17 GMT
Labour has taxed the ‘ working people’ albeit indirectly . Small business owners like Zany can see it and feel it but the ones at the bottom of the pile such as Mr AngryBenn and the cut and paste monkey can hardly feel any pain at all. This is the essence of the Labour Party.
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 2, 2024 11:29:56 GMT
If contracted on private sector terms and made it ( and staff ) fully accountable for all inefficiency / errors / failures in service with due penalties and termination for breaches - yes Public sector monopoly with a total lack of accountability for the dire service/inefficiency/errors/failures provided should be stopped. Interesting. I'm slightly different to Squeezed in that I work for local government but for a private outsourcer. To be honest it's swings and roundabouts. Yes, there are penalty clauses in the contracts. Some are quite severe. The problem is that private companies just can't make any profit out of it, as there's no money there. Where they don't make any money they let the contracts expire. On the other hand local authorities can't afford the contracts, so they are insourcing again and taking things back in house. The public sector doesn't have the money for the investment needed to improve things, the private sector won't because there's no profit. Of course the staff TUPE over from one to the other. They're the same staff, just with a different payslip. They dont behave any differently, as demonstrated by Squeezed comments earlier. Hence why I took real offence at your comments about public sector workers. I'm not sure where you got your ideas from, it must have been somewhere, but they were ignorant. The very last thing my views on public sector lack of productivity are is ignorant I believe you've previously implied that you do some sort of diversity/equality training for LA staff? (If I'm wrong about that it's my mistake) If so the first thing I'd be asking (of any type of public function/service) is '' Is it absolutely essential training , without which the staff are unable to perform their contracted job or is it simply ''bunce? '' If the answer is no then your services should be dispensed with as public sector costs should be stripped back to the bone and all staff held fully accountable for their actions at all times . Lack of accountability is one of the worst faults in the unproductive public sector. Any private sector business undertakes ongoing cost/benefit analysis to minimise costs .
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 2, 2024 11:32:19 GMT
Well most businesses are of course not going to be able to just absorb the increased NI burden without in some way adjusting downwards their operating costs or upwards their income streams. These costs will therefore be borne by lower pay rises for employees, lower recruitment levels, or higher prices for consumers, or some combination thereof. There is no such thing as a tax raid on businesses that does not impact upon the rest of us, at least indirectly. That said, with underpaid public sector workers increasingly walking away, public services barely functional, there was a chronic need for more public investment and this does not come without costs. The big three tax revenue streams are VAT, Income Tax and NI. It is difficult to raise large extra sums without using at least one of these, so targeting employers from Labour's perspective looks like the least bad option. Any hit to workers from doing this will be a lot less obvious on their pay slips than if employees NI had been increased. In other words, though working people will still be paying the price in the long run, Labour are banking on many more of them not actually noticing. Typical Labour centrist cynicism. But since the money had to be raised somehow, how else could the £25 billion resulting from this increase have been raised? What alternatives were there? And any suggestions that giving the poor a damned good kicking instead - especially the working ones - would not be persuasive, as this would do more harm than the NI increase is likely to do to those least able to afford it. In my view there was certainly more scope for wealth taxes on the super rich, particularly on immoveable assets like property or land which cannot be shifted abroad or physically hidden. This might have raised a few billion but nowhere near the £25 billion level. So what other alternatives could there have been? A land value tax might well have raised some of it. There was definitely scope for windfall taxes in a few areas but such taxes are one offs by their nature and best used to fund one off expenditures, eg post office scandal compensation. Or one off infrastructure expenditures. That sort of thing. Taxing dividend income at the same rate as taxes on earned incomes would have raised a bit. Because there is a loophole there that can readily be exploited. I know someone who a few years back earned a six figure sum from her own business. But she paid herself minimum wage and took most of her income in the form of a dividend, thereby paying much less tax than you or I would if we had a similar but salaried income. Had some of these things been done, we could at least have hit employers less hard with NI contributions, by raising some of the monies required in these other ways. More full time roles disappear with part time roles, so shorter hours doesn't attract employers NI. Some when people can't find a full time job for a mortgage etc.. this is one reason why. Then it's a case of trying to have more than one job, but they have to fit in withone another, and some employers don't like staff having another job whilst employed at theirs. Part time increases - yes , but Robber Thieves has reduced the employers' NI threshold to £5000 pulling many p/t workers into the NI net
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 2, 2024 11:35:52 GMT
Well my friends are far more reliable and honest than you areYou have absolutely no idea what my experience , knowledge , honesty or reliability is so you are making idiotic assumptions just because you appear to believe ( as a Tesco worker) that someone who works for the DWP is beyond reproach and isn't spinning you a yarn when they tell you that they think they are hardworking . Maybe they are more productive compared to the low productivity of the average public sector worker , maybe they aren't . The fact remains - as a Tesco worker your tax is funding their job . They contribute nothing. My friend is less likely to be lying to me than you are. Your adherence to lefty dogma and ongoing ignorant comment is simply mind-blowing You must be a very gullible person
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