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Post by ratcliff on Nov 1, 2024 0:59:17 GMT
That's not just ignorant, as Squeezed points out, but also offensive. I've no idea where you got this from. Neither, I suspect, does s/he.
If, as ratcliff implies, we get paid so much for sitting on our arses all day then why doesn't s/he apply?
After all, we have plenty of vacancies.  You've already admitted that you coasted for ten years whilst ''enduring'' a wage freeze |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 1, 2024 1:00:51 GMT
(Although I think Ratcliffe is a she) Eh? You could be taken to a tribunal for misgendering |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 1, 2024 1:02:36 GMT
The Tesco worker has to work and produce a tangible result unlike public sector workers You are talking utter drivel. Every worker has to produce tangible results. Ah bless Only one posting drivel is you |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 1, 2024 1:04:43 GMT
Agree. I've worked in the public sector and see swathes of money wasted on shirkers. It's bordering on criminal. Trim the fat and wastage, up productivity. This poor, undproductive methodology wouldn't survive a week in the private sector. Wait, you want to sack a third of all nurses and doctors, a third of all teachers, a third of all probation officers and social workers and DWP employees, and make the rest work harder? As someone who includes two very hard working public sector workers amongst my friends I know you are talking shite. I'd fire a third of all admin staff and managers - social workers definitely and DWP employees and make the rest work Your friends are ''very'' hard working? Did they tell you that? |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 1, 2024 1:11:21 GMT
You are talking utter drivel. Every worker has to produce tangible results. What sanction does a Government department get when it provides poor service - after all it's customers cannot go elsewhere. As an instance take HMRC where the service is dire - what happens to the workers there? As someone who has has recourse to phone HMRC several times this year (and has sat in my accountants office four times to see if a double edged approach might get some progress - failed ), once ( and if) you get through and aren't cut off you talk to someone who is utterly clueless and just parrots ''it's all on line'' (on line doesn't work ) and who shouldn't be anywhere near a ''customer'' help line. Professionals have to use the same line. My accountant tells me that if they call twenty times they might get one staff member who is reasonably competent to answer HMRC queries , no more than that. |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 1, 2024 1:12:59 GMT
What sanction does a Government department get when it provides poor service - after all it's customers cannot go elsewhere. As an instance take HMRC where the service is dire - what happens to the workers there? Why are you making the assumption that because somewhere is providing bad service levels that it's the fault of the staff? Who else's fault is it if the service is dire and the staff incompetent? |
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Post by ratcliff on Nov 1, 2024 1:13:49 GMT
Could be to do with structure, could be to do with systems, could be to do with processes, or could be to do with direction or management. In fact I'd say that the staff is probably the least likely. If Boots provides bad service then who suffers when its customers go elsewhere? Well yes, but I'm not sure of the logical association with blame? Ah you're taking the Labour approach to being unable to define a working person Management is staff Direction is staff Systems/process developers are staff Staff are people who are paid for work |
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Post by andrewbrown on Nov 1, 2024 2:03:01 GMT
(Although I think Ratcliffe is a she) Eh? You could be taken to a tribunal for misgendering I got it wrong. Sue me. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 1, 2024 5:33:44 GMT
A Tesco shelf stacker produces a product... The shop worker doesn't make a product, they provide a service. |
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 1, 2024 5:34:39 GMT
Neither, I suspect, does s/he.
If, as ratcliff implies, we get paid so much for sitting on our arses all day then why doesn't s/he apply?
After all, we have plenty of vacancies. You've already admitted that you coasted for ten years whilst ''enduring'' a wage freeze Where did I say that?
Oh yes, I didn't - you made it up. Just like the rest of the drivel that you're posting.
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Post by The Squeezed Middle on Nov 1, 2024 5:40:15 GMT
But let's throw you haters a bone:
Yes, there are too many people employed in non-jobs in the public sector while departments that actually provide front line services are often starved of resources.
Mine is one such: We have more people monitoring what we do than we have to actually do it.
And that's the structural issue with the public sector as I see it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2024 7:48:22 GMT
Wait, you want to sack a third of all nurses and doctors, a third of all teachers, a third of all probation officers and social workers and DWP employees, and make the rest work harder? As someone who includes two very hard working public sector workers amongst my friends I know you are talking shite. I'd fire a third of all admin staff and managers - social workers definitely and DWP employees and make the rest work Your friends are ''very'' hard working? Did they tell you that? They are more believable than you are. What do you know about it? What experience do you bring to the table? Anyone can talk shite from a position of ideologically driven prejudice and ignorance, which you appear to be very good at. Solution to underfunded and poor public services is to sack loads of the staff. What could possibly go wrong, lol |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2024 7:52:28 GMT
What sanction does a Government department get when it provides poor service - after all it's customers cannot go elsewhere. As an instance take HMRC where the service is dire - what happens to the workers there? As someone who has has recourse to phone HMRC several times this year (and has sat in my accountants office four times to see if a double edged approach might get some progress - failed ), once ( and if) you get through and aren't cut off you talk to someone who is utterly clueless and just parrots ''it's all on line'' (on line doesn't work ) and who shouldn't be anywhere near a ''customer'' help line. Professionals have to use the same line. My accountant tells me that if they call twenty times they might get one staff member who is reasonably competent to answer HMRC queries , no more than that. Yet your blinkers prevent you from seeing the obvious. Real terms pay cuts over a prolonged period is making it harder for them to recruit staff of a sufficient calibre. That's what my friend has told me is a chronic problem in the DWP so it is as likely to be the case in the HMRC. You get what you pay for. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2024 8:06:23 GMT
You are talking utter drivel. Every worker has to produce tangible results. What sanction does a Government department get when it provides poor service - after all it's customers cannot go elsewhere. As an instance take HMRC where the service is dire - what happens to the workers there? Same as in the private sector. They get called into investigatory meetings with their managers and if necessary disciplinary meetings. They are entitled to be accompanied in these by a union rep if they are a member of a union. The sanctions depend on the severity of any wrongdoing. But generally if the conduct or performance is not severe enough to constitute gross misconduct there will be a series of graduated warnings starting with verbal warnings right up to final written warnings and eventually dismissal. Gross misconduct can result in instant dismissal. I know from my friend that this is pretty much how it works in the DWP, much the same as it does in Tesco. And contrary to myth, a number of colleagues of hers have not had their contracts renewed - effectively being dismissed - for poor performance. My friend came here from Latvia when we were in the EU and like many such East Europeans she has a stupendous work ethic. Insinuating laziness or incompetence on her part just because she now works in the public sector is both insulting and ignorant in the extreme. What happens in the DWP is that the useless ones get nowhere and are eventually let go of, whilst the hardest working top performers get promoted. My friend has been promoted twice already. |
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Post by Pacifico on Nov 1, 2024 8:11:13 GMT
As someone who has has recourse to phone HMRC several times this year (and has sat in my accountants office four times to see if a double edged approach might get some progress - failed ), once ( and if) you get through and aren't cut off you talk to someone who is utterly clueless and just parrots ''it's all on line'' (on line doesn't work ) and who shouldn't be anywhere near a ''customer'' help line. Professionals have to use the same line. My accountant tells me that if they call twenty times they might get one staff member who is reasonably competent to answer HMRC queries , no more than that. Yet your blinkers prevent you from seeing the obvious. Real terms pay cuts over a prolonged period is making it harder for them to recruit staff of a sufficient calibre. That's what my friend has told me is a chronic problem in the DWP so it is as likely to be the case in the HMRC. You get what you pay for.Train drivers just got a £10k a year increase with no changes to working agreements or productivity levels. The whole £10 Billion raised by the increase in NI announced in the budget will go to Public Sector workers as increased pay (without strings) - so taking money from Private Sector workers and giving it to those in the Public Sector. Productivity in the Public Sector is has stagnated for almost 3 decades - and all the while spending has increased massively. So if you are expecting to see any improvement in delivery from the public Sector I suspect you are going to be mightily disappointed.  |
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